NoOp wrote:
On 12/15/2008 12:53 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
NoOp wrote:
Excellent decision. A reply that I provided over on the OOo general list:
However two main points:
1. It is generally advisable to keep and maintain the current version of
Ubuntu OOo in both 8.04 and 8.10 as those versions will: 1) continue to
receive standard and security updates, and 2) they are versions that use
gstreamer for media support. Have you ever had to deal with jmf in
standard OOo?
2. OOo 3.0 can easily be downloaded and installed in 8.04 or 8.10
without any distruption or interference to an existing (U)OOo install.
Advocating that people install from a ppa that will overwrite their
existing (U)OOo installations is, IMO, irresponsible.
ppa does stand for personal package area - I should of spelled that out
before.
On the other hand it can also be used by teams for publishing their
collective work via launchpad. In this case it is a team effort and not
that of an individual.
In this case the who:
mathias klose - member of the Ubuntu foundation team and ubuntu core
development team
Chris cheney - member Ubuntu Core Development team
Will these packages go upstream into the main ubuntu repositories..I
don't know - I can guess.
Would a person that uses say OxygenOffice (
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop ) not be allowed to enter a bug
into the openoffice.org tacking system? Of course not, they do.
How about someone that builds their own copy?
Anyway I will admit that I should of spelled this out more - but
irresponsible. I don't think so, but then I'm biased.
Best wishes,
Drew
The 'irresponsible' part is for those that adivse others to install from
a the ppa (whether it be Mathias' & Chris' or any other) without first
advising them of all of the issues: *particularly* the issue that it
will cause their existing repo 2.4.1 version to be overwritten. Case in
point; from M. Henri:
Thanks, Drew, in particular for the repositories ! I've now used them to
replace OOo 2.4.1 with OOo 3.0.0
M. Henri now has no stable 2.4.1 on his system and instead has a ppa
(read development) 3.0.0 version. If he runs into problems with this ppa
version where shall he file a bug report?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org ?
I suppose if he is testing 'jaunty' (development version of Ubuntu) (see
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org and
https://code.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs) then Chris or Mathias may
respond.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/288072
But I reckon that Chris has his hands full with supporting the standard
flavours of (U)OOo without having non-testing 'standard users' pop up on
launchpad with ppa 3.0.0 issues. Of course I could be wrong about this
part, but given the still outstanding (U)OOo issues, I'd bet not.
I have the same issues with sites such as this:
<http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-To-Install-OpenOffice-org-3-0-in-Ubuntu-8-10-96449.shtml>
that advocate the same without forewarning the 'standard user' in advance.
Sorry, but I stand by my statement.
No need to say sorry - we can disagree - I'm not offended, and lord
knows I've been called worse before.
As for this particular moment: I suppose there is enough information
here now for folks to make up their own minds - Thanks for adding in the
parts of the story I should have to begin with.
In the end though it always comes down to trust doesn't it - when
downloading binary copies of OSS particularly. Heck even when grabbing
source for anything beyond the most trivial of programs.
In this case I actually heard about the files from reading the article
you reference above (at least I think that was the one) - I then did a
little digging to see who the folks where that made the packages
available before using the information - I decided to trust those
individuals.
Anyway - keep in mind that the conversation was going in the direction
of folks using the DEV300_m37 build for *serious* work.
Also - if someone knew enough to add those repositories and get the
packages I bet theyu know enough to (I didn't offer instructions on that
remember):
Use Add/Remove programs to remove OO.o
Comment out or remove the repositories.
Use Add/remove programs to add OO.o back.
2.4.1 is back on your system.
Finally - I'll try to give more details/warnings/caveats should this
type of thing come up again, because you make a valid point. OK?
Cordially yours,
Drew
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