Hi Twayne,
In a message dated 2010.06.10 18:59 -0500, Twayne wrote:
Where is the envelope "style" found? I just looked at "all styles" and none
are for envelopes.
Stylist (F-11), under the Page styles.
It makes sense that there may be one though.
Well, yes but... conceptually (from style class design) "Envelope" is a
tough fit to the Page styles: the only attributes they really share are
that they are 2-dimensional and printed. [In fact, that tough fit may be
an underlying design issue.]
According to the Stylist, the page style becomes "Envelope" after
an envelope is formed from the Insert|Envelope wizard
Correct. Insert; Envelop should also open a dialog window where in one of
its tabs you can set things such as return/recipient address, database info
and either add the envelope to the document or create just the envelope.
Then in the second tab, Format, you have the dimensions and location of
the envelope within the scope of the paper size you're using. Then the third
tab is for your printer, which way to place the invelope into the tray, and
any offset you might need to use to tweak the position.
Yes, of course I know all that. The point, though, is that after you do
that, Writer also assigns the page style "Envelope" to the result - even
though it has nothing to do with what you just set up under the Format tab.
OO.o used a strange methodology for setting up its envelopes so it
takes a little study as to how to use the dimensions and offsets ...
See the Documentation entries at OO.o for more on envelopes.
Yes, I thought i made it clear that I have studied the documentation
wiki (and the Help, of course) pretty thoroughly before asking the
question - and no two of those three sources - Help, FAQ and Writer
Guide - agree on how envelopes should be done!
- but the page style apparently has no connection to what was
defined in the Envelope wizard.
I -think- what you mean here is what I meant above when I said OO.o has
a completely different, non-user-friendly way of creating envelopes.
Well, that's already a pretty damning statement - but actually what I
meant was that the Format settings from the Insert|Envelope command are
different from those in the Envelope page style which is also invoked by
the Insert|Envelope command. In fact, not only are the settings
different, they are drawn from different source lists! I can't imagine
why that is, and was hoping someone on the list knew.
It does seem like it's not related at all and gives what seems to be
pretty odd results. It's frustrating and quite annoying to try to
design envelopes for anything but the #10 sample exactly as presented.
Change ANYthing about it, and it seems to go all to hell on you.
That should not be, and is what I'm ultimately trying to overcome.
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Meanwhile, maybe one of these links will help you out ...
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Thanks for those suggestions [I won't burden the list bandwidth by
quoting them again], but I've read all of them, and referred to two of
the three from the wiki (the FAQ and the reference to Chapter 5) earlier
in the thread. (The reference to Chapter 11 is not really germane to
this discussion; it's about the additional issue of using an external
database.) The point is, no two are in agreement. That seems to be a
bad sign. [And the wiki really seems the best point of reference. The
articles from www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org are really pretty bad; I'd
be happy to explain why, but the reasons are not relevant to the present
concern.]
Thanks for taking the time to reply,
John
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