Hi John, 00.0 3.2.0 and 3.2.1 and 2.4.?: Sorry if i underestimated your expertise level; it's hard to tell sometimes so I err of the safest side as a rule, or try to anyway.
I made a few comments inline: In news:[email protected], John Kaufmann <[email protected]> typed: > Hi Twayne, > > In a message dated 2010.06.10 18:59 -0500, Twayne wrote: > >> Where is the envelope "style" found? I just looked at "all >> styles" and none are for envelopes. > > Stylist (F-11), under the Page styles. Understood. The Styles & Format dialog. > >> It makes sense that there may be one though. > > Well, yes but... conceptually (from style class design) > "Envelope" is a tough fit to the Page styles: the only > attributes they really share are that they are > 2-dimensional and printed. [In fact, that tough fit may be > an underlying design issue.] Yeah my list doesn't include anything about envelopes. That makes me pretty curious but I suppose it would if I purposely saved them as a style, but I don't see the need. Once you get it started, swtch to Format; Page; to get better control of the parameters you want to tweak. IMO anyway. >>> According to the Stylist, the page style becomes >>> "Envelope" after an envelope is formed from the >>> Insert|Envelope wizard That hasn't happened here; I'll have to have a look at Options and see if there's something there to explain it. I'm curious, that's all. >> >> Correct. Insert; Envelop should also open a dialog window >> where in one of its tabs you can set things such as >> return/recipient address, database info and either add the >> envelope to the document or create just the envelope. >> Then in the second tab, Format, you have the dimensions >> and location of the envelope within the scope of the paper size you're >> using. Then the third tab is for your printer, which way >> to place the invelope into the tray, and any offset you >> might need to use to tweak the position. > > Yes, of course I know all that. The point, though, is that > after you do that, Writer also assigns the page style > "Envelope" to the result - even though it has nothing to do > with what you just set up under the Format tab. That is curious; that doesn't happen here. I just tried it by creating an ipso factum... page with an envelope inserted intto the document and saved them to disk. Closed/reopened OO.o Writer and checked F11: Still no envelope entry in the list. Didn't do a Restart, but I don't see where it'd matter to anything. > >> OO.o used a strange methodology for setting up its >> envelopes so it takes a little study as to how to use the dimensions and >> offsets ... See the Documentation entries at OO.o for more on >> envelopes. > > Yes, I thought i made it clear that I have studied the > documentation wiki (and the Help, of course) pretty thoroughly before > asking the question - and no two of those three sources - > Help, FAQ and Writer Guide - agree on how envelopes should be done! There is one that is a set of various envelope templates which you can download somewhere on OO.o. If you can find that one, or someone could point us to it, there might be explanatories there. IIRC they worked on my inkjet but I never tried any of them on the laserjet. Actually, while I'm thinking of it, there are some errors in the F11 list, too. Like, I'd expect Signature to right-align, but it doesn't. There's more than a few of them actually. > > >>> - but the page style apparently has no connection to what >>> was defined in the Envelope wizard. Yeah, unless it had something like #10 as part of the name, I don't know that you could trust what it might indicate anyway unless for you it opens the Insert Envelope dialog box for you. >> >> I -think- what you mean here is what I meant above when I >> said OO.o has a completely different, non-user-friendly way of creating >> envelopes. > > Well, that's already a pretty damning statement - but > actually what I meant was that the Format settings from the > Insert|Envelope command are different from those in the > Envelope page style which is also invoked by the > Insert|Envelope command. In fact, not only are the > settings different, they are drawn from different source > lists! I can't imagine why that is, and was hoping someone > on the list knew. Perhaps it's named envelope but isn't what you're calling envelope right now?? Naming things can get confusing at times. >> It does seem like it's not related at all and gives what >> seems to be pretty odd results. It's frustrating and quite annoying to >> try to design envelopes for anything but the #10 sample exactly >> as presented. Change ANYthing about it, and it seems to go >> all to hell on you. > > That should not be, and is what I'm ultimately trying to > overcome. IMO, forget the F11 access and just stick to the Insert; Envelope; method. Notiice where the vertical and horizontal references are for the dimensions, and empirically work out what each dimension actually does for you. Get it working right on a full sheet of paper and then switch to an actual envelope and tweak if necessary. I used borders on the envelop and data sections so I could see where they were coming out and overlaid an envelope on it until I got them to match. AFter you've gone thru that once, it's pretty easy for other envelopes. Regards, Twayne` ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
