Bruce,

I have refrained from replying directly to you, in the interest of avoiding yet more return receipt requests to the list noise - and because I thought Larry and NoOp were already making all the right points. It was sad to see that their good sense was not enough. After reflection, I've decided to try to understand why not.

In a message dated 2010.07.21 21:36 -0500, Bruce Martin wrote:

As is well known, return receipts have their place, ...

Yes. When you send something to one (or more) /specific recipient/ and want to know that it was received, you request a return receipt. What part of that applies to a mailing list? In fact, RFC-3798 specifically mentions that the MDN (Message Delivery Notification) is *NOT* appropriate for mailing lists, and for that reason should be removed by the list manager before forwarding. Unfortunately, the current list manager does not do that, relying on the good sense and courtesy of the users.

even if some don't want to deal with them, yet have the capability on their own 
machines.

The capability that people can send or cancel the MDN? - They still have to deal with it, to what end? You already see that your message is delivered to the list.


I believe every user has the right to use them as he/she sees fit, within
the limits of what the internet provides, and no other person has the right
to abrogate such use from anyone else.

Right?!! What does that even /mean/? [One of my pet peeves is 'I have a right ...' - by people who have never thought much about the serious subject of rights and responsibilities and the long history of sacrifice to secure the fundamental rights on which we stand.] You have the /right/ to engage in all sorts of silly antisocial behavior - but when that becomes excessive societies invoke rules against "public nuisance". Is that where this leads?

John

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