On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:20 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:16 AM,<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> <snip> >> >>> To be honest, I don't see why Apache can't continue using the existing >>> infrastructure on openoffice.org? incubator.apache.org sounds, to me, >>> like >>> something which is in the early stages of development - which OOo >>> certainly >>> isn't! I know the page at http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ >>> explains otherwise, but if I were not already familiar with OOo I >>> probably >>> wouldn't even have read that far. >>> >> >> You can read more about Apache Incubation here: >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/ >> >> All projects that go through Incubation at Apache are already >> established open source projects. Incubation is not a place to start >> a new codebase. Apache Labs is where brand new ideas can start. >> >> So the point of Incubation for OOo is not that OOo is new, but that it >> is new to Apache and needs some extra attention to conform to the >> Apache license, integrate with Apache infrastructure and understand >> how Apache projects are run. > > I understand that. But if I were a new user looking at that page, who was > not familiar with OpenOffice.org nor Apache's meaning of "incubation", I > would probably think the software is not well developed and not look at it > any further. I might not have even opened a link to the page, reading > "incubator" in the address and assuming it to be under-developed, or if I > did I may not read past the first sentence which described the project as an > "effort undergoing incubation" - sounds like it is not yet a successful > project. >
Why would a user be looking at the Apache incubation page? A user is going to go to the OpenOffice.org site, right? >> I can't really answer your cosmic "why?" question. We must take it as >> a given fact that Oracle has contributed OOo to Apache and that Oracle >> will be shutting down their hosting of the website. Once those facts >> are acknowledged -- even if you disagree with those decisions or how >> they were made -- the rest of this, including Apache Incubation and >> list migration, follows naturally. > > Oracle have handed over the software, including the OpenOffice.org name and > branding, but not the openoffice.org domain nor the existing web and email > list infrastructure? That will also cause confusion, if Apache still call > the software OpenOffice.org, but there is no up-to-date web site for it at > openoffice.org! > They have transferred the domain name as well. But not the servers. So we can set up new servers to have parallel content and services, but this is not as simple as just copying files over. In the end I expect there will still be an openoffice.org where end users will go to download and learn about OpenOffice. >>> That page also states that "Incubation is required of all newly accepted >>> projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure, >>> communications, and decision making process have stabilized in a manner >>> consistent with other successful ASF projects." >>> >>> Does this mean the infrastructure, mailing list addresses, etc. are going >>> to >>> change *again* once they have stabilized? If that's the case, why not use >>> the existing infrastructure at openoffice.org until Apache are ready to >>> roll >>> out whatever new infrastructure they want to put in place? >>> >> >> Once a project graduates from Incubation it becomes a "top level >> project" or TLP. At that point the mailing lists will change again, >> e.g. [email protected],org would become >> [email protected]. We can probably make that transition >> easy for subscribers, since it will be still within the same list >> infrastructure. > > So we're expected to subscribe to [email protected] now, and > will soon be expected to subscribe yet again to > [email protected]... (or at least change the address we send email > to, again) > Yes, I think you have the idea. Change addresses now, and once again in maybe 6 months. This will require sending two emails, one now to [email protected], and another one in around 6 months to [email protected]. This will be confusing to some users, so I will make sure that we post detailed instructions, to the list and the website, when the time comes. > I'm sorry to say, I will also be looking at joining those moving over to > LibreOffice (not that I contribute anywhere near as much here as some others > do). If nothing else, it seems to be much more stable in terms of supporting > infrastructure, and even who owns it! > That is fine. But you should know that moving to LibreOffice will require subscribing to a different mailing list as well, So you cannot entirely escape this inconvenience. Regards, -Rob >> >> -Rob >> >>> Mark. >>> >>> -- >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] >>> For additional commands send email to [email protected] >>> with Subject: help >>> > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] > For additional commands send email to [email protected] > with Subject: help > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] For additional commands send email to [email protected] with Subject: help
