NoOp - [email protected] wrote:
On 09/02/2011 05:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Larry Gusaas<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2011-09-02 6:16 PM NoOp wrote:
I wonder if the OP (Rob Weir) will reply to my questions, or if he
simply intends to be a 'hit& run' poster (cross-poster) to this list...
After all, posting such an annoucement on this list (and cross-posting
[email protected]& [email protected])
without sticking around to answer questions, explain, offer further
details, is IMO pretty rude. Is this what can be expected from
ooo-apache in the future?
I wouldn't judge Apache by Rob Weir's actions. He is new to Apache and an
IBM employee. The long time Apache people seem to be much more relaxed and
easy going, at least from what I have seen since the Apache-ooo started.
Larry, if you wanted to be useful you might have mentioned to NoOpthat
we have been discussing enabling Gmane for
ooo-users.incubator.apache.org on the ooo-dev list, and that you
yourself have volunteered to set that up in a few days.
And btw, I've been an Apache Committer since 1999.
However...
You post an annoucement on this list (over 5 hours ago) that this list
will be shutting down - not a trivial post. I post questions regarding
such about 2 hours later, and your only post since then is to chastise
Larry?
Maybe part of the confusion here is that some posts seem to be taking a
while to get through?
Yesterday I was wondering what this was all about - all I'd seen was
some discussion about an announcement of this list closing, often
quoting other messages I hadn't seen. The first I'd seen of Rob's
original announcement was your quote below.
Today, the Rob's announcement came through along with about 25 other
replies. One of those was your questions from 2 hours later - which I
hadn't received until now (more than 24 hours after posting). Perhaps
Rob hadn't received your original questions either?
...
You pop in annoucing:
Please note that, as part of the overall migration to Apache, this
list will be closed. Based on feedback received, including from
participants on this list, we've decided to create a users list at the
Apache OpenOffice.org project to serve as a continuation of
[email protected].
You are invited to subscribe to the new list by sending an email to:
[email protected]
That Apache list is live now. Although [email protected] is not
going to disappear immediately, it will eventually be shut down. So
you might want to finish the threads you are engaged in here, but try
to start new ones at [email protected]. We're talking
weeks, not months, before the migration completes.
Thanks!
-Rob
and don't respond to responses regarding your post (except to Larry's of
course). Again: "Is this what can be expected from
ooo-apache in the future?". Many users on this list may not even have a
clue as to what 'incubator.apache.org' is, who /you/ are, and why this
is all taking place.
The users on this list went through several months of trauma regarding
the transition from Sun to Oracle list changes (including bug
reporting). Now you show up with this?
To be honest, I don't see why Apache can't continue using the existing
infrastructure on openoffice.org? incubator.apache.org sounds, to me,
like something which is in the early stages of development - which OOo
certainly isn't! I know the page at
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ explains otherwise, but if I
were not already familiar with OOo I probably wouldn't even have read
that far.
That page also states that "Incubation is required of all newly accepted
projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure,
communications, and decision making process have stabilized in a manner
consistent with other successful ASF projects."
Does this mean the infrastructure, mailing list addresses, etc. are
going to change *again* once they have stabilized? If that's the case,
why not use the existing infrastructure at openoffice.org until Apache
are ready to roll out whatever new infrastructure they want to put in place?
Mark.
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