Jonathon,
Certainly, you must be right!...
All the OOo "bullet/list" formatting must be _really_ intuitive!...
So intuitive, that you did not even _bother_ to try to prove or explain
any
of your assertions.
So, the problem has to be mine, or of my OOo copy:
- when I apply a (paragraph) style to a paragraph, if the style changes the
paragraph indentation, my OOo window, changes accordingly the horizontal
ruler in the upper part of the window;
- as I said in my previous message, and showed on the document I prepared and
referred (http://www.fe.up.pt/~jmcruz/ooo.tests/test-format-parag-list.sxw),
when I apply bullet/list formatting, the indentation _is_ changed, but the
ruler is not!
In my humble opinion, that is not intuitive.
Can you please explain or demonstrate your view?
José
Dizia Jonathon Blake em Terça, 5 de Julho de 2005 23:04:
> J. Magalhães Cruz wrote:
> > the "bullet/list" formatting should not change "automatically" the
> > previous paragraph formatting.
>
> If it did not, it would be _defective_.
>
> > Indentation is paragraph formatting; "bullet/list" formatting should not
> > change it. Unfortunately it _does_ change it and, in an almost _hidden_
> > and
>
> It _SHOULD_ change it. If it didn't it would be a _MAJOR_ defect.
>
> > intuitive or explainable with any sense? I think not.
>
> It is both intuitive, and explainable -- if one understands styles.
> And has not been damaged by the garbage that both wordperfect and
> microsoft claim to be, but are not styles.
>
> >If they were done right!
>
> There are a couple of issues with how OOo requires one to create
> styles, but those aren't it.
>
> xan
>
> jonathon
-------------------------------my previous message--------------------
> Peter,
> You speak about flexibility, but I speak about ease of use,
intuitivity and
> consistency. My point is that the "bullet/list" formatting should not change
> "automatically" the previous paragraph formatting.
> When I do character or frame formatting (using styles or not) the
indentation
> of the paragraph does not change (Thanks God for that!).
> Indentation is paragraph formatting; "bullet/list" formatting should
not
> change it. Unfortunately it _does_ change it and, in an almost _hidden_ and
> difficult to see (and to correct) way! I explain:
> - please, open the document I have prepared before
> (http://www.fe.up.pt/~jmcruz/ooo.tests/test-format-parag-list.sxw) with
> either OOo 1.1 or 2.0Beta
> - put the cursor somewhere in the middle of one of the paragraphs of the
List
> identified by A (my 1st example)
> - observe the horizontal ruler on the upper side of the window; notice the
> marked values on the ruler: they show the indentation values of the
> paragraph.
>
> - Now, put the cursor somewhere in the middle of one of the paragraphs of
the
> List identified by B (my 2nd example)
> - observe the horizontal ruler on the upper side of the window; notice the
> marked values on the ruler: they show the _same_ indentation values of the
> paragraph, but the real paragraph indentation is _different_. Is this
> intuitive or explainable with any sense? I think not.
>
> - Finally, put the cursor somewhere in the middle of one of the paragraphs
of
> the List identified by C (my 3rd example)
> - observe the horizontal ruler on the upper side of the window; notice the
> marked values on the left side of the ruler: they show the paragraph has
_no_
> indentation, but the real paragraph _has_ a visible indentation. Is this
> intuitive or explainable with any sense? I think not.
>
> See my point? I eventually can make a list bulleted or numbered appear the
way
> I want it to. But it definitely is not easy to do, nor intuitive! I think
> things could be made both easy and flexible. If they were done right!
>
> José
>
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