Eyetwoherbs wrote:

> cannot even find how to shut it off.  

">File >Exit" --- which is one of the things that JAWS 4.2
can read in OOo. [For non-JAWS users, this version is from
circa 2001. The current version is 8.0.)

>You have not  made this very user friendly

Nobody denies that OOo has a11y issues.  In some areas,
these are major issues.

In this instance I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

> with eye problems should have the same availability that others have.

If you want to complain about the lack of support for
Braille, Moon, or BlissSymbolics, then you have a legitimate
 concern. Likewise, if you want to complain about the lack
of  tools to translate to/from Braille, and/or Duxburry File
Format, you have a legitimate concern.

If you want to complain about the inability of OOo to print
to a Braille Printer, you have a legitimate concern.

To complain about things that are a result of defective
screen reading software is not legitimate.  To complain
about things that are a function of a deliberate decision to
 design a user-hostile, anti-a11y operating system is not
legitimate. [I'll also question the ethics of supporting an
organization whose interests are antithetical to one's own.]

> If you wish it to be used you need to get with the program

For starters, the National Federation for the Blind needs to
get with the program, and spend money developing software
tools that blind people can use.

The NFB would rather spend US$15,000 for a computer
(hardware and software) for a blind person than budget
US$200,000 for two programmers to work full time creating,
or modifying existing FLOSS software so that it is more
blind friendly.

The real joke is that my Linux box is more accessible, then
my house mates is, after installing the software that the
NFB recommends.   [Do you really want to use a keyboard from
the NFB for Windows that says in the fine print "This
product is not compatible with Windows"?  (It worked fine
with Linux.)]

IIRC, the One Laptop Per Child project has got the cost of
an a11y laptop to roughly US$200.  Screen reader and
standard keyboard.  No Braille Monitor.  No Perkins
Keyboard. (For the rest of you the former adds roughly
US$4,000 to the cost. A  Perkins Keyboard adds roughly
US$1,000 to the cost.)

> and make it able for all to find the way out not hide it
be hide areas
> that are not viewable to people with dualities.

A Braille Display Monitor should display the same things as
a standard LCD or CRT monitor.  If they don't, there is an
issue with the design of the User Interface.

Screen Readers will miss things that Braille Display
Monitors pickup, because they look at the screen in a
slightly different manner.

Usually, a Braille Display Monitor will display the stuff on
the floating screen, whereas the Screen Reader won't. For
OOo, if the Screen Reader takes advantage of the Java
Accessibility Bridge, then there are no hidden areas of the
screen, using Linux.  (I don't remember which --- if any
Screen Readers for Windows do take advantage of the Java
Accessibility Bridge. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for
Freedom Scientific to do so.)

xan

jonathon

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