On 21/01/2008, M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, January 21, 2008 8:39 am, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
> >> 2) Any environmental club should be one of the last places to adopt
> >>    and support Microsoft software, see the links in the "Environment"
> >>    paragraph at http://digifreedom.net/node/103 (it may even be
> >>    interesting to challenge them with those arguments publicly, on the
> >>    University newspaper or something)
> .....
>
> > I did read the environmental page, but in my opinion it is not
> > specific enough to this problem to want quotation. Also, while it does
> > touch upon third world countries, it is very US-centric. We are in
> > neither a third world country nor the US.
>
> I assume by "environmental page" you mean http://digifreedom.net/node/81
> Third world countries receive the e-waste of every other country, not just
> the US. The _examples_ may be US-centered, but that's just because it is
> easier to find US examples online: the problem as such does exist in every
> country.
> Since I'm working on the second edition and any feedback is really useful,
> I'd really appreciate if you could elaborate (off list, of course) on your
> comments above, so I can correct any limit in that chapter and improve it.

I will send, I have other comments that I need to send to you as well.
I should find the time before next Sunday, but I won't commit to a
schedule :)

> > I did mention to them that as environmentalists they should understand
> > that I'm not conforming to their demands that I use MS Office because
> > they themselves must stand up to the whims of corporations
>
> If I may suggest a slightly different approach, environmentalists have a
> duty to not use or encourage usage of Microsoft software because such
> software is, see proofs in the references I provided, the one which more
> concretely, albeit indirectly, harms the environment, period.

I will send to them those links.

> This is true and measurable no matter where that software comes from: it
> would still be valid if MS Office and Windows were GPL software distributed
> for free.
>
> Don't mention corporations, capitalism, fighting conformism or anything of
> the sort.
> Challenge them, possibly in public through some University bulletin or
> similar, only at the concrete pollution level: they'll have no ground to
> ignore such a challenge, not without damaging their own reputation, at
> least.

That's not very culturally acceptable here, though I may be able to do
something else of the sort.

> Let me know how it goes,
>                                   Marco

I'll try to keep you in the loop, Marco.

Dotan Cohen

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