----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skriva...@redhat.com>
> To: "Itamar Heim" <ih...@redhat.com>, users@ovirt.org
> Cc: "Gal Hammer" <gham...@redhat.com>, "Simon Grinberg" <sgrin...@redhat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:58:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] forced shutdown with client agent
> 
> 
> On Apr 22, 2013, at 23:19 , Itamar Heim <ih...@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 04/22/2013 01:59 PM, Michal Skrivanek wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >----- Original Message -----
> >>>> >>From: "Michal Skrivanek"<michal.skriva...@redhat.com>
> >>>> >>To:users@ovirt.org, "Thomas Scofield"<tscofi...@gmail.com>,
> >>>> >>"Vinzenz Feenstra"<vfeen...@redhat.com>, "Barak
> >>>> >>Azulay"<bazu...@redhat.com>, "Gal Hammer"<gham...@redhat.com>
> >>>> >>Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48:18 AM
> >>>> >>Subject: Re: [Users] forced shutdown with client agent
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>On Apr 20, 2013, at 22:42 , Itamar Heim<ih...@redhat.com>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>On 03/29/2013 04:58 AM, Thomas Scofield wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>>I have run into a scenario after installing the client
> >>>>>> >>>>agent.  If
> >>>>>> >>>>a VM
> >>>>>> >>>>is shutdown, the client agent calls the shutdown command
> >>>>>> >>>>with a 1
> >>>>>> >>>>minute
> >>>>>> >>>>timeout.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>Dummy-2::INFO::2013-03-28
> >>>>>> >>>>14:05:21,892::vdsAgentLogic::138::root::Shutting down
> >>>>>> >>>>(timeout =
> >>>>>> >>>>30,
> >>>>>> >>>>message = 'System Administrator has initiated shutdown of
> >>>>>> >>>>this
> >>>>>> >>>>Virtual
> >>>>>> >>>>Machine. Virtual Machine is shutting down.'
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>Since the shutdown command is called with time parameter
> >>>>>> >>>>the VM
> >>>>>> >>>>sets the
> >>>>>> >>>>/etc/nologin file. When the VM is forced down the
> >>>>>> >>>>/etc/nologin
> >>>>>> >>>>file is
> >>>>>> >>>>not cleared and when it comes back up only root can login
> >>>>>> >>>>until
> >>>>>> >>>>the
> >>>>>> >>>>/etc/nologin file is cleared.
> If you don't want it setting user_shutdown_timeout to 0 should solve
> this.
> 
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>hmmm, Vinzenz - should guest agent clear that on guest
> >>>>> >>>startup, if
> >>>>> >>>guest agent set this at shutdown?
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>Is their some some reason the shutdown time is set to 30
> >>>>>> >>>>seconds
> >>>>>> >>>>(rounded up to 1 minute in the code)?
> it is rounded up because unix shutdown works with minutes only. So
> it's the seconds from user_shutdown_timeout is rounded up to
> minutes.
> The Windows one should really be 30s.
> 
> >>>>>> Are there any know issues
> >>>>>> >>>>with
> >>>>>> >>>>setting this to 0?
> >>>> >>I wouldn't mind changing this to 0 by default if there are no
> >>>> >>objections.
> >>>> >>Barak, Gal, what do you think? Do you see any strong reason
> >>>> >>for
> >>>> >>keeping a grace period?
> >>> >
> >>> >The idea was to allow a logged in user to orderly close his work
> >>> >right?
> >>> >For that I'm not sure that even 30 seconds is enough.
> >> For that typically sysadmins use 5 or 10 minutes. 30s is
> >> worthless, no one would be able to react that fast…so to me this
> >> is the same as initiating shutdown right away. It's graceful
> >> anyway and all common apps would save the workspace on SIGTERM
> >> anyway. Well, does it even do anything on Windows?
> >> That's why I'd vote for 0. And keep is configurable in case you
> >> want to use it, sure.
> >> 
> > 
> > do we allow users to cancel the shutdown?
> nope.
> It can be stopped inside the guest, well, if you manage to do that in
> that short time.


From all the said above seems that indeed default shut-down time should be 0
But we need to be able to set shut-down policy per VM/Cluster/Something that 
will override the global config. One time fits all does not sound reasonable. 

I would say that for Desktop use case you'll probably want to allow the User 
some time to finish up things, while for Server you won't care. Etc.... 



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