Yes, it's true too.
But the sogo not a complete system, it's only the part of a system.
Sogo just a frontend for any imap server, authenticate from any ldap and
stores the card/calendar informations any database.
Sogo works with cyrus? Yes. Works with dovecot? Yes. Works with courier?
Yes. Works with postgres? Yes. Works with mysql? Yes. Works with
openldap? Yes. Works with MS AD? Yes. Works with alternate user sources?
Yes.
What about zimbra in this context? (LOL) - Easy docs...
Exchange in 4 hours? Yes, I installed some exchange in AD forest with
replication.
But I can build a sogo about 30 minutes from booting Ubuntu setup cd
till first incoming/outgoing mail with the fresh installed system.
How? I created a script for that. It's get some data at start (mail
domain, admin passwords, ldap parameters, etc.), and then install needed
packages, and set them up it automatically - next-next finish.
And the result?
Samba4 LDAP + OpenChange + Sogo + Dovecot (quota, shared dirs, sieve) +
mysql + postfix + sogosync + Outlook anywhere compatibility + multi
domain support + phpldapadmin + phpmyadmin - and everything over SSL for
secure remote clients.
30 minutes, and not few hours with exchange - btw exchange... what about
the updates? My 30 minutes contains all of the updates.
So...
If you want to try my install script, I can share it, but not for
cyrus/courier/postgres/openldap - you could use it too, but you'll need
an x509 CA, certificate and key in pem format. I need to remove from it
some private parts and translate it for English.
And no, I won't modify the script for other ldap/imap/sql backend, if
you need another, feel free to modify it - just please reshare ;)
Please give me about a few days for it.
OK?
2013-07-07 21:43 keltezéssel, Schmitt, Christian írta:
I know that it is not a problem of sogo, but i'm a developer and not a
system administrator. I mean if I really want to make use of sogo i
wouldn't want to go through thousands of documentations, just to have
a good and working installation.
i mean, you configured your apache right? i don't think so. i mean
i've spent a week, fulltime to make the best available configuration,
just for a python deployment with mod_wsgi. it contains only the
things that are needed to work. also i've spent hours with mod_proxy
and nginx as a proxy pass or haproxy.
i've did this since i needed it.
I've currently doing the same with Postgresql and 389 Directory
Server. But still it's a lot of stuff and I could do that in fulltime.
But how much people have that much time in their company? Most people
won't they need to show some things and than deploy it or even the
people who want it for their home servers, they want to make things
work, not to spent their whole life by configure and evolve the
process of deployments.
You ever used Microsoft Exchange?
I Could configure and install / deploy it in under 4 hours, fully
configured and working (without used it before). Do you really think
that ANYBODY could do that with sogo?
I mean you ever seen a good documentation? Look at the Zimbra
Documentation. In the Single Server install guide you could install
Zimbra from Zero to Working and Zimbra still uses OpenLDAP, Postfix
and Apache.
Could you do that with sogo? No. The Documentation won't have the
required things.
Or take a look at the FreeIPA Docs here:
>
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/FreeIPA_Guide/index.html
There is a shitload of stuff but it's organized and you could easily
use freeipa.
Trust me sogo is great. But to deploy it you need a really really long
time. Especially in good enviroments.
2013/7/7 Szládovics Péter <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
2013-07-07 19:59 keltezéssel, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> írta:
It's true what you are saying, currently i'm planning some
sogo deployments,
one with a LDAP (FreeIPA) Backend and one with a postgresql
Backend. Currently
I'm playing around with postgresql and it isn't really easy
with this
documentation to bring up SOGo. (But btw. other Groupware
Documentations are
painful aswell)
I mean SOGo is really really good. It's very fast and it works
on my VPS that
has 512MB Memory even with LDAP installed. (Currently Zimbra
needs way more 2GB
Memory or above, that makes it painful to use, but easy to
install /
configure).
I think the problem with the documentation is not the
configuration steps, Some
things are just missing. I mean when I want to configure SOGo,
I wan't to know,
how I configure Cyrus with any SOGo Backend aswell and Postfix
also with any
Backend. I mean I'm confident with Apache and i wouldn't even
needed the config
file that you deployed with sogo. But I'm a total newbie with
ldap / postfix /
cyrus and I think many people are new to this feature aswell,
since most of the
groupware people coming from other enviroments where you
didn't need to
configure your own imap or mta.
Nothing against you sogo guys, since you gave us one of the
best, groupware's
that are completly free and there aren't good alternatives. I
mean kolab3, is
really not production ready, zimbra is not really good since
the nice features
are only in the network edition and it uses way to much
ressources, horde is
cool and good, but it's old and still uses more than sogo
uses. there are
plenty of examples why sogo is better, but since you gave us 1
Document with
like 60 sites which only includes the options that i could
configure about sogo
and not a complete document HOW TO INSTALL sogo it's really hard.
I mean rename the document from SOGo installation to SOGO
Configurable Options
and make a new Guide which says Install Sogo which includes
nearly every
configuration option for real world deployments.
Guys, it's absolutelly right!
But... If anybody newbie in postgres/mysql or in any ldap, or
dovecot/cyrus/courier or postfix/sendmail/exim or _wathever what
is not sogo, just a backend_ - is this problem of documentation of
sogo? I dont think so...
At the begin of this year I never yet used Dovecot. I didn't
install and use any OpenLDAP/Samba 4 instances. I knew postfix
(but not in ldap auth), and knew mysql, and I knew apache.
Understanding some dovecot mechanism was a little bit hard -
quota+ldap, folder sharing+ldap, sieve (pigeonhole). Samba 4 and
openchange was absolutelly new for me.
AFAIK I did 30-40 installs with failed or almost worked status,
and reinstalled them, and again, and again - and learn.
You need to know, everybody thinks otherwise. My config is
probably won't good for you, and your problem is probably not
similar to my problem.
So, I can't help - not 'don't want', just 'can't'.
But when your problem is same or similar with one of my problems,
I can help, and I will help.
I think this community is helpful, when it can.
/Sorry my bad English/
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