It's true, I remember the Wicket founders said that. They said that just to sympathise with Howard because Howard is so bitter and jealous about the Wicket founders. Howard has stated a number of times that the Wicket folks stole their ideas from Tapestry. But that's not true. On the contrary. I think Tapestry is now looking more Wicket it has to be called Wicketstry. Having Spring or Guice to do my dependency injection, why would I need one from the web framework? It's a pure waste.
Cheers On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Boris Horvat <horvat.z.bo...@gmail.com>wrote: > It is not a hobby nor it is a home project but that is beside the point but > I see you want drop the same logic so I wont bother anymore then. > > As far as I recall there was an articale 2 months ago from one of the > Wicket founders stating that they wish the had the same approach with IOC > as Tapestry did. So go figure > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Emmanuel Sowah <eso...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well, hearing you, it seems like you use Tapestry in an informal > hobby-like > > projects. If it's the case then sorry for troubling you. Use Tapestry as > it > > works for you. But if you're in a corporate setting, choosing Tapestry or > > continuing to use Tapestry may end in a financial disaster because the > > Organisation would one day have to throw it all away and start all over > > again with another technology because Tapestry would die and support and > > upgrade of the framework would halt. > > > > So I understand you're happy with Tapestry on your home hobby project > > because it works for you. But for all others reading this and using or > > planning to use Tapestry in a corporate setting, DONT DO IT. Tapestry has > > failed. Even Howard has admitted that in an interview recently. Howard is > > happily coding Wicket on a client project. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Boris Horvat <horvat.z.bo...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > Wrong and here is why. > > > You will die (lets hope you dont get a heart attack while writing here) > > and > > > does that mean you should give up? I dont think so (regardless of your > > > current behaviour). > > > > > > Yea, tapestry will die, so will java, as well the thing that replaces > > java > > > eventually, still you dont give up just because of that. you use it as > > long > > > as it works for you. > > > > > > Allow me to share the two greats things I have ever learned in my > entire > > > life. > > > > > > 1. Tools. > > > > > > One of the teacher once told me that every time he sees something like > > > "Java vs C++", "Tapestry vs Wicket" or "Something vs Something else", > > what > > > he does is replaces the first word with hammer and second with > > screwdriver. > > > The point it that what *tool *to use depends on the problem. In other > > words > > > there is *no one correct answer* when asking a *vs *question > > > > > > 2. Data > > > > > > All in all, applications that we write are transient, tomorrow they > will > > be > > > replaced by some new technology that will be designed to do a better > job > > > (see my point on tools again) and it is *data *that we should focus and > > not > > > on one application, and not on any one languag and not one technology. > > > > > > For me tapestry works. I like the syntax, I like the simplicity. I am > ok > > > with the performance, I am really excited with tapestry 5.4. Oh and I > am > > > really happy with people here helping each other out. > > > But if you dont think that tapestry works for you then dont use it.* It > > is > > > that simple.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Emmanuel Sowah <eso...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > But it's not smart to choose something that we all know is going to > > die, > > > > right or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Boris Horvat < > > horvat.z.bo...@gmail.com > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Emmanuel FOCUS. Relax. 1, 2, 3, Again relax. Breath slowly now. 1, > 2, > > > 3. > > > > > > > > > > You calm? Ok good. Now listen. > > > > > > > > > > People have the right to choice what they want. Tapestry is a tool > > > just a > > > > > tool, you can pick another one if you dont like it. People have > > > different > > > > > needs, expectations, desires and they chose tapestry you dont and > > that > > > is > > > > > fine > > > > > > > > > > 1, 2, 3. Relax.... and enjoy your perfect world without tapestry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Emmanuel Sowah <eso...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there are too few ( 20 or so?) Tapestry users to warrant a > > > > Facebook > > > > > > page. So I think this is the best place to enlighten people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Jens Breitenstein < > > > > > mailingl...@j-b-s.de > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emmanuel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please stop your spam. This is a mailing list for developers > even > > > > > stupid > > > > > > > ones like us using tapestry. > > > > > > > Create your little Facebook page name it "Tapestry sucks" add a > > "I > > > > > > dislike > > > > > > > it too" button or something else and we all can continue with > > more > > > > > > serious > > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 20.11.13 22:12, schrieb Emmanuel Sowah: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexander, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Tapestry cannot be revived. > > > > Tapestry > > > > > > has > > > > > > >> been in coma for too long. As you may know, people who have > been > > > in > > > > > coma > > > > > > >> for a very long time cannot be revived. They ultimately die, > as > > > > > Tapestry > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > >> slowly dying now. Check the article found at > > > > > > >> http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/the-2014-decision- > > > > > > >> makers-guide-to-java-web-frameworks/. > > > > > > >> Choose one of those frameworks mentioned there and you'll be > > fine. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Cheers > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexander Sommer < > > > > > > >> alexander.som...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> tapestry would and will easily revive if 5.4. would come out > > with > > > > > full > > > > > > >>> jQuery (and jQuery mobile) support ;-) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> I am just waiting for 5.4 and think that others are doing the > > > same. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> I also would love mobile web templates with 5.4 based on > jQuery > > > > > mobile. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> 2013/11/20 Lenny Primak <lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> What a troll!! > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Guys, > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> You Tapestry aficionados are just some radicals who are > blind > > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> reality. The fact of the matter is Tapestry is no more > > relevant > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > >>>>> developers community. Even Mr. Ship doesn't use Tapestry > > > anymore > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > >>>>> projects. Stop being stupid and look around for a better > > > > > alternative. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> Your > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> knowledge and experience about Tapestry won't land you a > job > > > > > > anywhere. > > > > > > >>>>> Tapestry is now only used on hobby projects at home. As > we're > > > > > > speaking > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> now, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Howard is happily coding Wicket on a client's project.Leave > > > this > > > > > cult > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> do something better with serious frameworks. Tapestry is > dying > > > an > > > > > > >>>>> inevitable death. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Cheers > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Norman Franke < > > > > nor...@myasd.com> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> That's funny, I was thinking the same thing. Someone who > > > doesn't > > > > > know > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> any > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> better about how to write a modern web application and > > insists > > > > that > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> JSP > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> code is "closer to the bare metal" and thus better. > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> Norman Franke > > > > > > >>>>>> Answering Service for Directors, Inc. > > > > > > >>>>>> www.myasd.com > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:09 PM, John <j...@quivinco.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> Haha. Maybe it's someone who's maintaining thousands of > > lines > > > > of > > > > > > evil > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> old incomprehensible JSP, has seen the promised land > > > (Tapestry) > > > > > and > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> feels > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> bad about it. (Like the guy who never gets invited to > > parties). > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >>>>>>> From: Lance Java > > > > > > >>>>>>> To: Tapestry users > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:38 PM > > > > > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Web frameworks > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I'm not sure why... but for some reason a random user > comes > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > >>>>>>> tapestry list about once a year spreading FUD with a > > message > > > > > > similar > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> this one. I've never really understood why... Please ignore > > this > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> thread. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On 18 November 2013 19:12, Emmanuel Sowah < > > eso...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi guys, > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> There is a great report that compares web frameworks and > > can > > > > be > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> found > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> here: > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/the-2014-decision- > > > > > > >>> makers-guide-to-java-web-frameworks/ > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> To my surprise, Tapestry didn't make it to the list. This > > makes > > > me > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> very > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> nervous to even consider Tapestry for our upcoming project. > > I'm > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> scared > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Tapestry may be abandoned one day and leave us in the cold. > It > > > may > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> be > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> a > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> nice framework, but Tapestry's popularity is extremely low > > > within > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> developers' community. Why is that? Is it because of it's > > track > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> record > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> on > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> releases and backward compatibility issues, which I read > a > > > lot > > > > > > about > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> on > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> google search? Or is it because it's a one man project? > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What do you think? > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Emmanuel > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > *Boris Horvat* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sincerely > > > *Boris Horvat* > > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely > *Boris Horvat* >
