On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I actually agree with Lyallex quite strongly,
..no, you don't, you can't, well actually you do, so I'm not going mad then, fabulous. No Idea what DWR is and the idea of writing more of my app in javascript leaves me a little cold but I'll have a look BTW OP, the best way to learn about this stuff is just to read this list, someone will mention something you've never heard of before so you go look at it and you get a 'hey I could use that' moment it works for me. > P.S. - Is that your real name by the way Layallex? If so, I've never heard > it before, but it's pretty cool!) Actually Frank I've been lurking around on this list for as long as I care to remember, I try to help where I can but mostly it makes me laugh and I learn something new every day. 'nuff reason I guess. As for Lyallex, well it's a long (long) story. Cheers Lyallex > > -- > Frank W. Zammetti > Author of "Practical DWR 2 Projects" > and "Practical JavaScript, DOM Scripting and Ajax Projects" > and "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology" > for info: apress.com/book/search?searchterm=zammetti&act=search > Java Web Parts - javawebparts.sourceforge.net > Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it! > My "only partially serious" blog: zammetti.com/blog > > Lyallex wrote: > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > I guess given the lack of replies that most think this is too OT for > > this list, well I suppose it is but I couldn't resist answering. > > > > "Don't Do It" > > > > That is, don't use any framework at all. > > > > Download Tomcat and the relevant J2EE API documentation bundle, then > > goto the MySQL site and get the driver > > then go http://commons.apache.org/ and get all sorts of stuff. Finally > > read http://java.sun.com/blueprints/patterns/catalog.html (maybe this > > should be the other way around) > > > > This really is all you need. learning a framework is an overhead you > > can do without if you are getting into J2EE. > > > > I used to use Struts and JSF and Castor and lot's of other stuff but I > > found I was spending more time learning how to configure the framework > > than I was developing. My latest site has most of what you mention and > > not a framework in site. > > > > Follow the patterns, write cohesive POJOs and hide the business logic > > behind facades. Use the commons stuff, it works, it's free and it's > > documented (to a degree). I even used to eschew taglibs but I'm a > > convert now so use them where you can. > > > > NEVER put business logic anywhere other than in POJOs (or EJBs if you > > must) and never do anything other than rendering in jsp's. > > > > Use css, everywhere, all the time ... IE 6 is broken but most of the > > latest browsers are pretty good these days IMHO. > > <div> good, <table> bad (well not quite). > > > > Stick to this and you will be writing websites and earning money for > > the rest of your working life while others struggle to get heir head > > around the latest bloated XML nightmare config, docubabble latest > > greatest framework. > > > > Madness ? perhaps, but I spend my time learning the Java/J2EE APIs > > rather than reading framework documentation and I am never out of > > work. > > > > <Lights blue touchpaper and retires> > > > > Good Luck > > > > Lyallex > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:01 AM, qm westview <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > *Hi there,* *I am an application programmer (Java, PHP) and almost new > to > > > web development. I am currently investigating as to what is the most > > > appropriate/applicable open source platform/framework to develop a web > site > > > (simple to start but more comprehensive into the future) for tourism or > > > tourist attractions. The following lists the basic support requirements > > > (mainly multimedia, interactivity and future proof) * *1. XHTML, > > > JavaScript, Ajax* *2. Multimedia – images, slides show, music, > videos* > > > *3. Simple blogging facility * *4. Community, Feedbacks * *5. > > > Emailing for registered users (regular news release)* *6. Database > > > (mySQL or similar)* *7. Search ability (text based)* *8. > Shopping > > > facility (online, gift etc)* *9. Management facility* *I have seen > some > > > CMS type of open system, such as Xoops, Lenya, Daisy, etc. But I do not > have > > > enough knowledge to make any choice decision. Just wondered if any > > > experienced people here could help me or shed some lights please. * *I > am a > > > techi person and wouldn't mind the complicity of technology so long as > the > > > job can be done efficiently and effectively and low cost.* *Many thanks > in > > > advance,* *Mark* > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
