Peter Crowther wrote:
From: David kerber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not using a framework isn't quite the same thing as not using
available packages and libraries.

Entirely true.  However, many (though not all) of the existing packages assume 
particular frameworks.  If anyone wants a glimpse of a possible nightmare 
future where a system tries to support multiple UI frameworks, look at Sakai - 
they have everything from Velocity to JSF to RSF (Reasonable Server Faces, 
their version of JSF that's lighter weight) and 3-4 other frameworks thrown in. 
 Now try adding functionality that cuts across tools written assuming different 
frameworks....

I haven't looked because we don't use them, but
I'll bet there are plenty of 3rd party java library packages out there
to generate blogs, shopping carts and the like, so you don't have to
code them from scratch.

Plenty.

My reading of the OP's message was that they were trying to make a choice 
between the available systems rather than code from scratch - and that they 
hadn't decided (and didn't particularly care) whether the whole thing was 
written in Java or PHP, as they weren't presently a Web developer and would be 
learning on the job.  *For that purpose*, I'd suggest that picking a system 
that does much of what one wants is the way to go.  I agree with others on the 
list that *for other
Yes, I'd agree with that, if he's still making that fundamental of a project decision. I had interpreted the OP to mean he was going to be working with java, but wasn't sure which (if any) framework to use within that already-made decision.

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