On 5/1/08, Andrew Broderick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The guy asked a simple question.

And I answered it is a simple manner: read the javadoc, if that
doesn't help you, tell us what is wrong. All condensed in a single
question. You chose to read it as a RTFM. Did you ever read [1]?

> If there's one fault with this otherwise great mailing list, it's the 
> attitude that
> the old-timers have towards the newbies.

WTF? Why is it so hard to actually use the stuff we have provided? We
write javadoc, we have a wiki, we are writing a book, spend a lot of
our free time working on wicket related stuff, including answering
questions on this list. There is no payment for us in all of this (if
you think that the book will bring us money, then write your own and
see if it works out for you)

Is it then too much to ask that people actually read the javadoc and
if you don't understand the javadoc, *THEN* ask the question related
to the javadoc?

> So, guys, if you want Wicket to attain widespread adoption, please don't shoot
> back at anyone who asks a question with a response of RTFM. Take the time
> to explain stuff.

users@ had 2186 messages in April, 37% of that traffic came from 10
people. 4 of them were so-called old-timers, not asking questions but
helping out. >25% of traffic in April came from core contributors. So
please don't tell me we are not helping out.

What do you think the javadoc is for? Do you think we write javadoc to
increase our commit count? Didn't we already put in the time to
explain it? Did you consider that the ratio of users asking questions
that they can answer themselves versus the contributors that actually
answer is roughly 30 : 1, putting us (the old-timers) at a serious
disadvantage?

> (This also contributes to the Wicket knowledge base, as it
> remains in the list archives, and hence shows up in Google searches).

Why do you think we write the javadocs? So people can READ them. When
people don't take the time to actually read the fricking javadoc, what
does make you think that people will use google, the wiki or the
mailing list archive?

Martijn

[1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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