Maybe that is the problem - 10% of the people give 90% of the answers. This 
means they have less time to explain stuff in detail. However, you are right - 
the answers are fast (within minutes) and, even if not complete, usually give 
enough information to find the right place to dig.

I do in fact search all the sources I can find before asking the list, 
including: wicketstuff.org, Google (Nabble has excellent Wicket stuff), the 
list archives, and Wicket In Action.

As for explaining it to new users myself, I would if I knew the answer! I am 
still a newbie, although if I have anything to say about it, we will be using 
Wicket for a long time to come, so I will eventually become expert at it. The 
code is of extremely high quality, and one taste of using it is enough to make 
me never want to touch another front-end framework again. Good work all.

-Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Thomerson
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RTFM messages

I have to add here that I have asked quite a few questions on this list, and
always received a plethora of helpful information - 90% of the time from
core contributors.  This list is the best open source mailing list I have
ever subscribed to or asked questions on.  Many times I have sent emails to
other user lists, even active ones, with questions I could not find the
answer to, and never received a response - at all.

The entire Wicket community is very friendly and helpful.  And, honestly, if
I asked a question for which there were an answer in the javadoc - I would
appreciate Martijn's answer - it would remind me to look for it myself
(which we sometimes get so busy we forget) - and it has much better longterm
benefit than giving a direct answer, or even copy-and-paste the javadoc.

Of course, Andrew, you always have the option of explaining it to the new
user, too - that might help with the wide spread adoption.  I see from your
message history that you love Wicket like the rest of it, and have received
many fine answers from the same core committers that you criticize here.
Just saying - it goes both ways.

THANK YOU WONDERFUL WICKET COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY THE CORE COMMITTERS
(Igor, Martijn, Johan, and everyone)!!!!

My 2 cents....

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM, C. Bergström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 21:01 +0200, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> > On 5/1/08, Andrew Broderick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The guy asked a simple question.
> >
> > And I answered it is a simple manner: read the javadoc, if that
> > doesn't help you, tell us what is wrong. All condensed in a single
> > question. You chose to read it as a RTFM. Did you ever read [1]?
> >
>
> <commentary>
> I've worked with Martijn a bit and overall I really appreciate his
> concise and clear answers.  On first read of his post you can surely
> feel a defensive tone, but really this is more an example of how
> passionate Wicket devs are about quality not only in code but
> documentation.
>
> Tact sold separately
> </commentary>
>
> ./C
>
> >
> > [1] 
> > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html<http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
>
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