I've found the combination of Wicket + Scala to be very productive. Just make sure you use Fodel from Wicketstuff
When things get tricky, simply reduce the problem down to a java quick start and proceed as usual. I find that 99% of the time making a quick start solves the problem, when I realize what I'm doing wrong. Peter. On 26 June 2013 17:28, Michael Pence <mike.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Scala is even more expressive and powerful than Ruby, so Scala + Wicket is > definitely my dream stack. I am just nervous about not having a big peer > support community when things get tricky. > > On Jun 25, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Colin Rogers < > colin.rog...@objectconsulting.com.au> wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > Java is still pretty verbose, for all 'recent' improvements - I don't > think that will really ever change, but then I don't see that as an issue. > My personal style of coding is to write simple, obvious, testable, but > ultimately verbose, code. Code that anyone can read, and understand what > and why I'm attempting something - with the absolute minimum of comments. > But that's just me! :) > > > > I've never understood writing one line of code, that takes five lines of > comments to fully explain what and why it's attempting, when you could > write 3 lines of code with no comments - and would be significantly easier > to modify or extend later. > > > > When I was younger, and monitors smaller and lines constrained, I too > loved ramming as much functionality into the smallest of visual spaces in > code, but now I love tons of white space and simple, clean code. > > > > It's all about scroll wheels and big monitors! :) > > > > ... and Wicket and the super-fast modern JVMs... and t's still quicker > and easier and ultimately less verbose to do something in Wicket/Java, than > pretty much any other Web framework, IMHO - regardless of Java as a > language. > > > > You could try Scala with Wicket, or Groovy with Wicket - both are native > JVM languages - would these give you greater benefits to your style? > > > > Cheers, > > Col. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Pence [mailto:mike.pe...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 26 June 2013 06:48 > > To: users@wicket.apache.org > > Subject: Re: A Wicket in Ruby > > > > That is a good question that I have been mulling over these last few > says. > > I think that I need to suck it up and just re-familiarize with Java -- > it is less verbose, with annotations and closures now, right? -- for all of > the benefits that the JVM with Wicket will bring me. I got a bit spoiled by > years of Ruby, but man, do you pay for that lack of compile-time checking > and type safety over and over again -- especially with regard to > performance and endlessly climbing stack traces over typos. > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Colin Rogers < > colin.rog...@objectconsulting.com.au> wrote: > > > >> Mike, > >> > >> I hate to be the old cynic and doomsayer, but generally I find that > >> whenever a two programming technologies are 'crossed' over, with the > >> idea that you'll get the advantages of both - the exact opposite > >> occurs and actually you end up with a technology that only has the > >> disadvantages of both and the advantages of neither. > >> > >> After all, Wicket in Java works really well... how would ruby improve > >> it over Java? Or Scala in the JVM? Or Groovy on the JVM? > >> > >> Like I said - sorry - I don't wish to negative, but it seems like a > >> thankless task awaits you! :) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Col. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mike Pence [mailto:mike.pe...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: 22 June 2013 02:21 > >> To: users@wicket.apache.org > >> Subject: A Wicket in Ruby > >> > >> So I have this crazy idea to try to write some subset of Wicket using > >> CRuby and the variety of technologies it employs (EventMachine, etc.) > >> > >> Hard to know where to start though, or how best to form a mental model > >> of what Wicket does vs. doing a straight class-to-class conversion. > >> Maybe there is a test suite in the wicket source I should consider. 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