At 10:19 AM 4/26/2002 +0200, Han Maenen wrote:
>First of all: I am NOT criticizing Jim Ellwell's choice of paper size..
>
>But I think the expression 11" by 210 mm is highly irrational: multiplying
>ifp by metric.

What Han and others are either forgetting or do not realize is that, for 
volume printing, the size of the finished item does NOT tell you the size 
of the paper purchased by the printer. Between margins for bleed and grip, 
and multiple-up pages, the original sheets can be MUCH larger. For example, 
my company's catalog is trimmed to 279x210 mm -- the original printed sheet 
is probably about 1 x 0.8 meters.

This is the reason why books and catalogs come in all different sizes: the 
paper starts WAY larger, is trimmed to spec, and the printer does not care, 
nor do the paper manufacturers, nor do most users whether this "spec" is 
somebody's standard.

For the same reason, switching Metric Today to A3 (A4 folded) may NOT 
improve the supply of metric paper, as Bill Hooper suggests, if the printer 
starts with oversize sheets. No one but printers buy these oversize sheets 
and the sheet size does not have to be metric to produce a metric product. 
And unless you are involved in the production, you don't know the size of 
the original paper.

My company's catalog is trimmed to 11" by 210 mm (279x210 mm), so that it 
is neither too long nor too wide for any storage mechanism -- I happen to 
think it is an excellent solution to the fact that we send the catalogs all 
over the world. It is not anyone's "standard", but so what? It sits on a 
shelf or a desk, and neither the shelf nor the desk cares a wit about its size.


Jim Elwell
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com

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