Dear Bill and All,

This is an extract from Elizabeth David's book, 'Italian Food' (1954). My
wife and I have found that her recipes are well researched and practical to
produce. 

This is what she says about Measuring and Weighing.

**

'How much cheese is a handful? How much more or less is a cupful? What is
the capacity of a glass, a tumbler, a soup ladle? How much is a pinch? How
much greater is a good pinch?

'In the Introduction to this edition I have referred to the rather rough
and-ready methods by which Italian cooks tend to measure their ingredients.
To a certain extent all household cooks everywhere use such methods. (In the
Middle East, I remember, an English round fifty cigarette tin was a common
kitchen measuring unit; simply as 'a tin' of this or that ingredient I have
come across this unit in published recipes, to me obviously authentic, but
baffling to anyone not familiar with kitchen procedure in the countries
concerned.)

'In Italy there is an explanation over and above the question of a tradition
which grew up in the days when so many cooks could neither read nor write
and measured by instinct and memory. It is to be found in the method by
which household shopping is (or was) conducted - which I have also described
in the chapter on Italian Dishes for English Kitchens, page 29-32 - which
means that over and over again, perhaps even twice a day for years, the cook
has bought the same weight of cheese, so many bunches of spinach, so many
grams of tunny fish or anchovies from the huge open tin on the grocer's
counter. She has just the amount she wants, and so has no need for scales to
weigh these commodities at home. When it comes to store-cupboard ingredients
such as flour or rice, she uses her hands, a glass, a cup. And there's the
rub. Her cup and her glass are not necessarily the same capacity as yours or
mine. Such things as standard measuring cups, spoons, and glasses may exist
in Italy. If so, I certainly never saw any; and so far as I know not even
the Americans, with their passion for measuring everything down to a
sixteenth of a teaspoon of pepper and the ultimate three drops of lemon
juice, have laid down a standard handful of rice, grated cheese, or parsley.

'While I was writing this book and still much under the influence of Italian
cooking as practised in Italy, some of these vague terms did, I am afraid,
creep into my recipes. Nowadays I would probably write them quite
differently. They would be more precise, they would fill a volume twice the
size of this one; in the transition, I think, they would also lose something
of their authenticity and spontaneity. So I have left them substantially as
I first wrote them, appending here and there a footnote when it seemed
necessary for the sake of clarity. Below, also, are tables of comparative
measurements which I hope will provide further guidance to readers who feel
in need of it.

'While I think that the degree of precision required is largely a question
of the individual temperament of each cook (some are positively irritated by
the appearance of a lengthy list of ounces and tablespoons, half-teaspoons,
grains, and quarter-cups on a page), I would also remind readers that
reliance on precise recipes alone can be a trap. 'The dangerous person in
the kitchen,' wrote Marcel Boulestin, 'is the one who goes rigidly by
weights, measurements, thermometers, and scales!

'That was well put. It is like this. Suppose that I tell you to put two
tablespoons of olive oil into a pan before starting off say a vegetable stew
or a pot-roast. Then what pan are you using? How wide is it? How thick is
it? With what kind of fuel are you cooking? What, in fact, you need is
enough oil to cover the bottom surface of your pan; enough for your onions
and other vegetables to be evenly spread out in it, neither swimming in oil
because there is too much nor rapidly drying out, catching, and burning
because there is not enough. So if I am going to tell you precisely how much
oil you must use, then I must also tell you precisely the dimensions and
weight of the pan you require, qualify the instructions with mention of
varying grades of olive oil, thick or thin, refined or unrefined, and take
into consideration the differences between solid fuel, gas burners, and
electric hot plates.

'If recipes were all written on these lines there would be no end to them.
Nobody would use cookery books. They would be too dull, too forbidding, and
too bulky to handle. To specify therefore, 'enough oil to cover the bottom
of your saucepan' or 'about a teacup of olive oil' is a short cut. It is
also an indication that a precise quantity is not of great moment. Except
for sauces, one does not often measure oil by tablespoons. one pours it out
of a bottle into the pan. One uses one's eyes and one's loaf. The same may
be said when one is adding a glass of wine, a handful of parsley. A little
more, a little less - it is up to you. Of course there are the exceptions
which prove the rule. Ingredients for sauces, pastries, and ice-cream
recipes, for example, should be carefully weighed and measured. I would
never advocate that a kitchen should be without scales. (I find the kind
with weights more satisfactory than the spring-balance type.) And one of the
most frequently used utensils in my own kitchen is a measuring jug marked
with both English ounces and pints and metric grams. For those who use
French, Italian, and other European-language cookery books as well as
English ones, or who employ continental cooks, such a measuring utensil is
invaluable, and when we convert to the metric system will become essential.
Such jugs can now be found in any well-stocked hardware or kitchen shop'.

**

It is interesting that Elizabeth David, a UK writer, uses the words, 'and
when we convert to the metric system' as early as 1954.

Cheers,

Pat Naughtin LCAMS
Geelong, Australia
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on 22/2/04 11:59 AM, Bill Hooper at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> chimpsarecute wrote:
>> My point is and will always be that no noticeable change occurs in the
>> outcome of a recipe when you use a 250 mL cup instead of a 236 mL.
>> None
>> what-so-ever!!!!
> 
> What specific recipes have you tried twice, once measuring with 250 mL
> to a cup and once with 236 mL to a cup? How did each turn out?
> 
> Some things quite clearly would not be expected to be noticeably
> affected. Others might be.
> 
> How much sugar I put in my coffee can be varied without serious
> consequences. How much sugar a put in my beer when I bottle it can make
> the beer either flat and weak if I add too little, or strong and highly
> carbonated (perhaps enough to make the bottles explode!) if I add too
> much. (The amounts are in teaspoons instead of cups, but the principle
> is the same.)
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Hooper
> Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA
> 

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