Jim:
Please pay attention: pee-ess-eye is LONGER than pee-aye, and NOT any shorter than key-pee-aye. Let's be fair and compare apples with apples.
I am sorry that I did not make my point clearer. But we agree elsewhere.
Have fun.
Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Elwell
Sent: 06 Apr 01, Saturday 17:18
Subject: [USMA:36428] Re: SI units long?

At 1 04 06, 02:54 PM, Stan Jakuba wrote:
1. First, one must distinguish the term "unit" from "measurement." Contrary to the discussions, to express a measurement (a unit and a value) in SI is almost always shorter.
To illustrate:
-- 5 psi, 5 Pa - SI is shorter (compare "p.s. i." (3)  with "p.a." (2). Or lb/ft^2, or in.Hg  vs. Pa).
-- 5,000 psi, 5 kPa - SI is shorter (compare "five thousand p.s.i."  with "five k.p.a." ). Notice that "thousand" is longer than "kilo." So is "thousandth" vs."milli" or "ten to the sixth" vs. "mega."
....
Endless examples. The opposites are rare by comparison.

I don't agree with this at all. It's trivial to come up with counter-examples:

five ounces versus five milliliters
five pee-ess-eye versus five kilopascals (or, really, thirty five kilopascals)
quarter mile versus two hundred fifty meters (or a quarter kilometer)
etc.

When you add fractions, as Pat Naughtin has pointed out, colloquial units can get longer. But, as I pointed out, at least halves, quarters and eights will be used with metric, right or wrong.

However, I seem utterly incapable of getting my main point across: metric names WILL be abbreviated. It has already happened and it will continue to happen. And it will happen entirely haphazardly, as no international body seems to care to deal with it.
 
2. Shortening of (already short) SI measurements for colloquial purposes has been done in all countries and languages of the world - from the very beginning, I'd guess. It seems a reflection on our "English language superiority complex" that we do not recognize this to exist.

A less nefarious explanation would be simply that, since most Americans do not use metric units, they have never heard the various shortened names for SI units.

 In fact, there are sometimes several slang expressions for a unit/measurement. They may differ from one region in the country to another, among teenagers vs. adults. etc. It is of no consequence to the "purity of SI" except that it confuses tourists and, mainly, people who learn metric from what others do instead of from what BIPM says.

This is a refreshingly laissez faire point of view! I think I'll adopt it and drop this entire subject.

Jim


Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com

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