Agreed Al - plus the mechanics of a generation plant creating the electricity to send to the car that’s plugged in to the wall socket.
There’s a graphic for that out there somewhere…. > On 18 May 2020, at 3:06 pm, Al Lawrence <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have a similar problem and use the same argument. Since all my cars are > older and I have never bought a new car, I also point out I have never > contributed to the large carbon footprint of manufacturing a new car. Every > time someone buys a new car they are contributing at least 5 Mg of carbon > dioxide into the atmosphere, and perhaps twice that if it is an electric car. > > Al Lawrence > > > > > From: USMA <[email protected]> on behalf of Stephen Humphreys > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 5:41 AM > To: Brian White <[email protected]> > Cc: USMA List Server <[email protected]> > Subject: [USMA 1407] Re: Talking to people about metric > > Hi Brian. > > I have been criticised in the past for owning 6 cars (mostly classic) > claiming that I am harming the environment or even the attack of ‘denial’ > regarding the subject. > > I have had to remind such people that because I have 6 cars only one of them > can be driven at once. > > There’s an answer for you to borrow if you should ever be criticised in a > similar manner ;-) > > > > > >> On 17 May 2020, at 11:14 pm, Brian White <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I have ten cars, not one of them electric. :) >> One 1.5 liter 4 cylinder >> One 1.6 liter 4 cylinder >> Two 2 liter 4 cylinders >> One 2 liter 4 cylinder 16v turbo >> One supercharged 3 liter V6 >> One 3.4 liter V8 >> One 4.2 liter V8 >> One 4.4 liter V8 >> One 4.8 liter V12 (18.5 liters of oil and 120 liters of fuel) >> >> >>> On May 17, 2020, at 14:59, John Nichols <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Entropy is a wonderful thing >>> >>> >>> From: USMA <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Martin Vlietstra >>> Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2020 3:08 PM >>> To: 'Michael Payne' <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>>; 'USMA List Server' >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: [USMA 1402] Re: Talking to people about metric >>> >>> One other advantage, particularly in city traffic is regenerative braking. >>> When you apply brakes in a petrol-powered car, the energy that you used to >>> get up to speed is thrown away, in a vehicle with regenerative braking, it >>> is “pumped” back into the battery. >>> >>> From: USMA [mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Michael Payne >>> Sent: 17 May 2020 12:08 >>> To: USMA List Server >>> Subject: [USMA 1401] Re: Talking to people about metric >>> >>> Yes, my error, consumption is in kWh and power consumed in Kw. The car has >>> a 66 kW motor. Low cost of operation is one of the advantages of electric >>> vehicles, apart from no maintenance (oil, filters, plugs, etc.) the cost of >>> operation is very low and even cheaper in traffic where the consumption is >>> the inverse of internal combustion engines. I’ll attach a couple of >>> pictures, as you can see I’ve only done 65 km this month with the lockdown. >>> We can do more traveling now we’ve opened up a bit from the 11th May. I >>> reset the data the 1st of every month. >>> >>> <image001.jpg> >>> >>> >>> >>> <image002.jpg> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 May 2020, at 17:59, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> Surely you mean 7 kWh/100 km? (Also 12,5 to 16 kWh/100 km). >>> >>> Your running costs show one of the advantages of using metric units. A >>> petrol-powered small car uses about 4 L/100 km (larger cars typically 7 or >>> 8 L/100 km). (I will not quote the mpg as that would means specifying >>> whether I am talking about US or Imperial gallons). A litre of petrol is >>> typically €1,40 so the running cost of your electric car is one quarter >>> that of a petrol-powered car. >>> >>> Martin Vlietstra >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: USMA [mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Michael Payne >>> Sent: 15 May 2020 09:21 >>> To: USMA List Server >>> Subject: [USMA 1397] Re: Talking to people about metric >>> >>> I have an electric car as well. The numbers you give show a consumption of >>> just over 7 kW/100 km, this is very low compared to my Renault Zoe (the >>> same platform as the Nissan Leaf) which averages about 12,5 to16 kW/100 km >>> which give me a cost per 100 km of about €1,30. Also charging on the cheap >>> rate which the car does automatically. >>> >>> Mike Payne >>> >>> >>> On 14 May 2020, at 02:35, Harry Wyeth <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I haven't written anything here for a long time, but what Al wrote a couple >>> of days ago is really right on. What he says about liberal-right-wing-left >>> -wing-fake news-etc is absolutely correct. The best way to convince >>> someone about the usefulness of the metric system is to gently point out >>> how simple and easy to use it is, and mention that it is used without a >>> second thought everywhere else on our planet. Unfortunately, with our >>> miserable political divisions and now the virus, we on the metric cutting >>> edge are pretty much way out on the back burner for a while. But it would >>> sure be nice to hear about 2m social distancing for a change! >>> >>> On another point, Tesla vehicles have a computer readout showing kWh used >>> since the last charge, per trip, or overall. There is also a Wh/km rate >>> display for the same periods. One vehicle I have information on shows 2200 >>> kWh used for about 15500 km traveled overall. At a $ 0.12 /kWh rate for >>> home electric vehicle charging in northern California (starts at midnight), >>> the electricity cost is $264 or just $ 0.017/km. >>> >>> All the driver has to do is select metric instead of miles on a preferences >>> screen. >>> >>> HARRY WYETH >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> USMA mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma >>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__lists.colostate.edu_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_usma%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3Du6LDEWzohnDQ01ySGnxMzg%26r%3D2z9QGiy5Dxy8_0qMMqfA98Bie-nGD-VfgJgfw4byoU4%26m%3D7yDbupnCtIHh7lNeXj0RGqWuqko7QYfbTd5y2JZheCs%26s%3D8iE8rKryIt1Z-HHkGHouwn9iRfM9docTipvzMCnmKP0%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ce0aa6d60969045f318ec08d7fb37267e%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637254086599810884&sdata=iQ36Cq6cAINxGbHcqXu%2BAi2v6KgxXcAP3MBJvu9uM7U%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> USMA mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma >>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ce0aa6d60969045f318ec08d7fb37267e%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637254086599810884&sdata=jW83bzqRGlRXLtfSWzDSpwTtJLPTJGhYE5%2BoA4lRnPQ%3D&reserved=0> >> _______________________________________________ >> USMA mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ce0aa6d60969045f318ec08d7fb37267e%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637254086599810884&sdata=jW83bzqRGlRXLtfSWzDSpwTtJLPTJGhYE5%2BoA4lRnPQ%3D&reserved=0 >> >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ce0aa6d60969045f318ec08d7fb37267e%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637254086599810884&sdata=jW83bzqRGlRXLtfSWzDSpwTtJLPTJGhYE5%2BoA4lRnPQ%3D&reserved=0>
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