also sprach Toshio Kuratomi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.21.1749 +0100]: > However, madduck does have a few inaccuracies in his blog post_. In > order of appearance rather than importance: > * The tarball is not downloaded from the source URL when building the > SRPM. We upload the tarballs to a lookaside cache before checking in a > new version of the package. That way we aren't at the mercy of upstream > changing locations or disappearing entirely.
True, I remember that now. > * My understanding is that Debian packages reach the repo by way > of a trusted contributor building the package and uploading to > the master server. In Fedora all changes are checked into VCS > and then the buildsystem pulls the files from there and builds > the packages. So the VCS usage in Fedora has a centralized hub > in the form of the buildsystem. This is what I have been proposing to Debian for a while now: http://madduck.net/blog/2005.08.11:rcs-uploads/ I never had the time to go through with this though. :(( > I do think that madduck has nailed one of the problems with > switching to a new version control system for Fedora although the > knowledge doesn't mean as much to him as it does to us (because > Debian's current VCS usage is much different than ours). > Contributors are never going to agree on one true VCS for our > needs but we need to have a centralized repo for the buildsystem. > For us to get critical mass to migrate is near impossible. The same applies to Debian. > P.S.: madduck, I like your categorization of changes although > I think we'll have to make it feel less complicated for the > end-user packager to adopt. Solving the patch dependencies is > the truly hard part of that problem as everything I've looked at > has either made constructing the dependencies or the application > to the vanilla source hard. My ideas go as far as creating a conceptual wrapper for the entire process, which is VCS-agnostic. If we do this, we should also make it distro-agnostic, and this is where Fedora and Debian ought to set a precedent example of cross-distro collaboration. Wrt patch dependencies, check out this (sub)thread on debian-devel (Feb 2008): http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20080216.232950.7001f17c.en.html Also, a lot is being discussed on #debian-devel about the combination of quilt and DVCS. I hope Manoj finds the time to post a summary to this mailing list. Thanks, Toshio, for your time and interest! -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" -- isaac asimov spamtraps: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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