> Unless/until someone has some sort of idea
> or plan for [Velocity Utilities] (perhaps Gabe or Geir recall what
this was 
> meant to be),
> then i think this should be dropped from the documentation.
+1

> > Velocimacros
> i have proposed that Velocimacro libraries be placed into 
> their associated tree (struts/view/tools).  
Sorry, been meaning to reply but was trying to bust out docs. :-) 

Sorting into separate trees for macros could make classification
difficult, but since it seems we're talking about removing tools/tools,
so I think separate trees would probably be dandy. I'll bet 95% will
fall into the general tools/view/macros tree. 

> > Saying "VelocityStruts" may not provide a clear picture to 
> > Struts folks of using Velocity for the Struts View Layer.
> 
> Velocity is designed to be a view technology.  Struts is 
> designed to be a controller technology.  
> I think 'VelocityStruts' is pretty clear.
Go tell that to the legions of Struts folks who are using Struts for
Control as well as Struts JSP Taglibs for the View. <grin>

Here's my last argument, then I'll shut up. I'm talking to a Developer
who is using Struts with Eeeevil JSP's...and so I say:

"I suggest looking at the Velocity subproject called 'VelocityStruts'
for the Struts View layer."
or 
"I suggest looking at the Velocity subproject called 'StrutsView' for
the Struts View layer."

I like #2 better. ;-)
(optional: add "...because JSP and Taglibs are eeeeevil, and Velocity
with Macro's rock!" to both.)

But we may have to agree to disagree on this one...and since I don't
have commit status, I'm prolly going to lose the argument anyway. <grin>



> it would probably be org.apache.velocity.tools.view.tools.*
I like it.

> > = label tools/view   - "VelocityView"
> including the word 'servlet' doesn't address the hope/quasi-plan for
> extending/applying the toolbox management and non-servlet 
> tools to other environments.
Agreed.


Cheers,
Timo

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