Thursday, July 3, 2003, 4:56:40 PM, Tim Colson wrote:

>> >>It seems a bit daft.
>> >>AFAICS, this is based on some perverse, distorted version of the MVC
>> >>paradigm.
>> >>Anyway, that's what Tim Colson wants, and it's nutty enough 
>> >>that neither 
>
>> An ad hominem attack is necessarily on another person's 
>> character, not  on their ideas. 
> Agreed. And by saying that my request was "daft" and based on "some
> perverse, distorted..." which I took to implies and insinuate that I
> have those qualities of character in order to create such an idea. That
> is offensive to me. 

Well, if its an OT thread anyway... a little theological course (seems
that FM people are experts in this field... :)). Ad hominem attack is
when the other persons tells something that is *irrelevant* regarding
the disputed question, to discredit you in general. For example, I say
that Vel. people was unfair with WebMacro people, and then the a Vel.
people bring up that: "Note that Daniel was in prison for 3 times
because of raping... he is a such man." This discredits everything else
what I said, because I'm such a bad man in general. In this case I have
suffered an Ad hominem attack. Typical method in politics.

If somebody thinks that your idea is a nonsense, and he tells you that
"You are an IDIOOOOOT!", then it cleanly means that he strongly believes
that your idea is an utter nonsense, *this way* you must be stupid,
brain-damaged, etc. Now, this can be offending, and can be an attack,
but it's in no way an *Ad hominem* attack.

>> When I said that your idea seemed 'a bit daft' or 
>> 'nutty' and explained why I thought this, that was not an ad 
>> hominem attack.
> This insults and offends me even more! Please, do not tell me what my
> opinion is on the matter of being offended! I know quite well that and I
> am offended.
[snip]

It's amazing how gentle souls people are... :)

-- 
Best regards,
 Daniel Dekany



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