sgtmcd wrote:
Will Glass-Husain wrote:
Ah, hi Jonathan how are you?
I think we discussed this issue extensively last time Jonathan was on the
last a couple of years ago. Perhaps I might suggest the rest of the
Velocity community just refuse to be baited and stick to the topic at
hand?
(basically, ignore the temptation to have the last word).
As I remember, the topic was how new community members can help out.
Cheers,
WILL
[snip]
Cooler heads always prevail. I hadn't heard of freemarker until today.
Interesting.
I have too much already written in velocity and it all works.
You know, frankly, if you're in the market for a certain category of
thing, it makes some sense to survey what's out there.
It's funny about software. You know, in a regular market, how many
people buy the first item they come across without any comparison
shopping? Like, the very first car they ever test drove. "Well,
everything I tried to do in the car worked -- turning left, turning
right, reversing etcetera. So, I didn't look at anything else. I bought
it. A great car."
Yet this seems to be the norm in software.
there are
things I would like to have better, so I decided to volunteer my time.
In a way, that's to be commended. But isn't volunteering one's time to
add features still something of a last resort? Shouldn't one first
survey the space and see if another tool *already* does what you want?
Or, put from another perspective, is there that much merit in
re-inventing the wheel?
I am digging through the wiki and source and will try my hand at getting
a patch done to fix an issue.
Velocity seemed dead to me, but still viable. It is highly recommended
in many j2ee/spring framework documents/books. In a feature comparison,
it does seem freemarker has a few more features. However, what I
couldn't do in the template, I did in my controller and stuffed into the
model. Not elegant, but it worked.
I am not one to let anyone give me the run around. I like to get things
done and see velocity as another great tool.
I don't really want to sound like such a mean guy, Shawn. But how on
earth do you know it's a great tool? By your own admission, you did not
know of the existence of FreeMarker -- probably Velocity's most
important competitor -- until today. So you did no survey of the
alternatives in this space. You have nothing to compare it to, yet
you're willing to say it's a great tool.
If a Honda Civic was the only car you had ever driven, would you say it
was a great car? If so, on what basis?
Are you saying it's a great tool because there are these books that
write about it -- so it must be, even though you never compared it to
anything else? Or are you saying it's a great tool because you're trying
to win points with the people on this list?
I don't like picking on you because I'm so aware that this kind of thing
is just typical. It's not you.
Is there any other field where people behave like this?
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project http://freemarker.org
Velocity-FreeMarker comparison page: http://freemarker.org/fmVsVel.html
Regards,
Shawn
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