On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:48:45 +0100, Will Glass-Husain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Or Hibernate. I haven't checked lately, but I seem to remember hundreds if not thousands of DEBUG lines at startup. Not a big deal. If we move more
of Velocity log messages to DEBUG, this seems similarly inconsequential.

There are two things wrong with velocity logging:

1. the level is often wrong (apparently fixed recently)

2. alot of the logs should default to be exceptions instead of ignored.

/max

cheers,
WILL

On 3/7/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

you think Velocity's output is hard-to-use?  try reading the output of
commons-digester at debug level. ;-)

anyway, i've been fiddling with logging extensively in 1.5-dev,
lowering levels, improving the API, etc.  so i would really love more
specific feedback if you've got any!

On 3/7/06, Max Rydahl Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:48:54 +0100, Will Glass-Husain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > You could auto-init Velocity but log a message stating that you are
doing
> > that...
>
>
> ...now I understand how velocity's log output has grown to such a huge
> amount
> of hard-to-use lines. ;)
>
>
> /max
>
> >
> >
> > On 3/6/06, Max Rydahl Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:39:15 +0100, Will Glass-Husain <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sure, why not?
> >>
> >> because then users who like to know if a subsystem is configured
> >> before using it will not get a warning/exception.
> >>
> >> I would rather say that all the static singleton functionallity
> >> should be ripped out of velocity since it is a Bad Thing.
> >>
> >> /max
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On 3/6/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> hey guys,
> >> >>
> >> >> here's another idea i've only half-thought through... :)
> >> >>
> >> >> why do we require users to manually init() Velocity?  are our
default
> >> >> settings that useless?
> >> >>
> >> >> i know most users will still want and need to do init(props), so
it
> >> >> ultimately isn't a big deal either way. but i think it could be a
> >> >> nice convenience to automatically call init() when someone tries
to
> >> >> use Velocity, especially for those using Velocity.evaluate(). as
it
> >> >> is, we (sometimes) throw IllegalStateExceptions if someone is
trying
> >> >> to use Velocity and RuntimeInstance.isInitialized() returns false.
> >> >> why not just call init() instead of barking at the user?
> >> >>
> >> >> feedback appreciated. :)
> >> >>
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