On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:48:45 +0100, Will Glass-Husain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Or Hibernate. I haven't checked lately, but I seem to remember
hundreds
> if
> not thousands of DEBUG lines at startup. Not a big deal. If we move
> more
> of Velocity log messages to DEBUG, this seems similarly
inconsequential.
There are two things wrong with velocity logging:
1. the level is often wrong (apparently fixed recently)
2. alot of the logs should default to be exceptions instead of ignored.
/max
> cheers,
> WILL
>
> On 3/7/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> you think Velocity's output is hard-to-use? try reading the output
of
>> commons-digester at debug level. ;-)
>>
>> anyway, i've been fiddling with logging extensively in 1.5-dev,
>> lowering levels, improving the API, etc. so i would really love more
>> specific feedback if you've got any!
>>
>> On 3/7/06, Max Rydahl Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:48:54 +0100, Will Glass-Husain
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > You could auto-init Velocity but log a message stating that you
are
>> doing
>> > > that...
>> >
>> >
>> > ...now I understand how velocity's log output has grown to such a
huge
>> > amount
>> > of hard-to-use lines. ;)
>> >
>> >
>> > /max
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 3/6/06, Max Rydahl Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:39:15 +0100, Will Glass-Husain <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Sure, why not?
>> > >>
>> > >> because then users who like to know if a subsystem is configured
>> > >> before using it will not get a warning/exception.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would rather say that all the static singleton functionallity
>> > >> should be ripped out of velocity since it is a Bad Thing.
>> > >>
>> > >> /max
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On 3/6/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> hey guys,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> here's another idea i've only half-thought through... :)
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> why do we require users to manually init() Velocity? are our
>> default
>> > >> >> settings that useless?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> i know most users will still want and need to do init(props),
so
>> it
>> > >> >> ultimately isn't a big deal either way. but i think it could
>> be a
>> > >> >> nice convenience to automatically call init() when someone
tries
>> to
>> > >> >> use Velocity, especially for those using Velocity.evaluate().
>> as
>> it
>> > >> >> is, we (sometimes) throw IllegalStateExceptions if someone is
>> trying
>> > >> >> to use Velocity and RuntimeInstance.isInitialized() returns
>> false.
>> > >> >> why not just call init() instead of barking at the user?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> feedback appreciated. :)
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
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