No, I graduated in 1985, currently we have 3 schools of nursing that complete clinicals in our hosptial. Their exposure to IV' s is following around an IV nurse for 4 hours. They watch and ask questions. We also give them a handout that we put together to provide basic information on complications...
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynn Hadaway Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:33 PM To: Susan Fullana; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Question for a colleague I totally agree that there is a tremendous misuse of that word "certification". When someone attends a continuing education class, you get a certificate of completion or a certificate of attendance. This is in absolutely no way a certification. JCAHO uses the term "competency assessment" and places this responsibility with the employer. Lynn At 1:07 PM -0800 3/9/06, Susan Fullana wrote: I would like to see IV courses referred to "validation" or something else. To be "certified" in IV therapy, one must take and pass the exam for CRNI. There is a big difference and I think nurses who go on to study for, take the exam and pass are recognized for their knowledge and excellence in IV therapy. A course which lasts a few hours and gives someone a "certification" is an insult to all of our colleagues who have earned CRNI---a credential after their names. Note: forwarded message attached. Susan J. 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As many states implemented IV certification requirements for LVN/LPN - it has always been obvious that these training programs far exceed any training porvided in RN programs. I have never seen or heard of any comparable RN training... On occasion I have provided a 4 hour crash course at a BSN level program at a local university. The University felt 4 hours was sufficient. My thoughts were - if that was all the time alloted - better 4 hours than no hours. I am always thrilled when RNs enroll in the classes I now offer - and many do.... Some are personally more consciencious than others in realizing they should have additional training... I urge every nursing program to incorporate IV training (similar to LVN requirements) into their programs. The training model exists in many state Nurse Practice Acts. The lawyer in me thinks no nurse should perform IV patient care without some prior training. Ann Zonderman, BSN, JD, CRNI, LHRM -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lynn Hadaway Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question for a colleague I am posting this question for a nursing colleague doing some research. Thanks, Lynn The Situation: New nurses, on a national level, are lacking the ability to perform many basic nursing skills when hired. Controversy also exists as to whether starting an IV is considered a basic nursing skill and whether IV insertions are even being taught during nursing. Through literature, it has been suggested that there is little, if any, IV insertion skills taught during nursing school. At the same time, other literature is indicating that IV insertion skills are being taught during nursing school. The Questions: Were you provided any form of IV insertion instruction (i.e., lecture, lecture/ demonstration, fake rubber arm or simulated device, computer program, CathSim, or other devices.....) during your nursing school program? YES________, or NO_______. What year did you graduate from your nursing program? Thanks, Lynn -- Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RNC, CRNI Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc. 126 Main Street, PO Box 10 Milner, GA 30257 http://www.hadawayassociates.com office 770-358-7861 ************************************************************* The information contained in this E-mail transmission is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged, confidential, and protected health information. If you received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then please delete this message from your system. 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