Doesn't shrink that I've noticed..try it and see. I learned this from the very first flytyer teacher I had and have used it for many years. I mostly use the Deft clear poly because of it's less liver danger, but also have the silicone seal when I want a really tough salmon fly head. Joyce
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote: > Joyce, > Does it shrink when drying? > I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings. > > Thanks, > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joyce Westphal <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial > > I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene (tolunol) > available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works > wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to > Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it > in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You > can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent > for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it > does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Nev, >> >> I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored >> ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is >> transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs >> of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than >> Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. >> I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are >> clear. >> >> Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. >> >> This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer >> is clear, but not real transparent.) >> >> >> There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only >> in the 2oz. bottles. >> http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm >> I go through that in no time. >> A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and >> I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner >> for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the formula >> from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping >> purposes (bulk). >> >> Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix. >> It's not a thinner. >> >> This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not too >> bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. >> http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart >> >> Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can >> get them from Hareline. >> >> WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices >> in your head. >> >> So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! >> >> DonO >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Neville Gosling <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM >> *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial >> >> Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the >> Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find >> chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used >> didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped >> UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. >> >> Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three >> of toluene, MEK & Acetone or do they all work individually? >> >> Next on the list is the vinyl cement, >> >> I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. >> >> >> Neville (Nev) Gosling >> Greater Vancouver, >> B.C. 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