The smell is gone as soon as it flashes off. That usually takes a few hours if the flies are outside in the heat. Toluene is extremely volatile..makes for quick flash off but you don't want to use it where there is a source of flames..ie, like near your furnace or water heater. I do mine outside when I've finished a batch.
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, One other thing. For how long can you smell fumes coming from > it? > I've opened fly boxes and had the insides smell like the cement I was > using. > I don't use any cements when I'm tying streamside. > > DonO > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joyce Westphal <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:47 PM > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce > > Doesn't shrink that I've noticed..try it and see. I learned this from the > very first flytyer teacher I had and have used it for many years. I mostly > use the Deft clear poly because of it's less liver danger, but also have the > silicone seal when I want a really tough salmon fly head. Joyce > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Joyce, >> Does it shrink when drying? >> I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings. >> >> Thanks, >> Don >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Joyce Westphal <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial >> >> I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene >> (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works >> wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to >> Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it >> in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You >> can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent >> for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it >> does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce >> >> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Nev, >>> >>> I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored >>> ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is >>> transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs >>> of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than >>> Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. >>> I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are >>> clear. >>> >>> Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. >>> >>> This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer >>> is clear, but not real transparent.) >>> >>> >>> There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only >>> in the 2oz. bottles. >>> http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm >>> I go through that in no time. >>> A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and >>> I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner >>> for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the >>> formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for >>> shipping purposes (bulk). >>> >>> Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the >>> matrix. It's not a thinner. >>> >>> This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not >>> too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. >>> http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart >>> >>> Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can >>> get them from Hareline. >>> >>> WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want >>> voices in your head. >>> >>> So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! >>> >>> DonO >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Neville Gosling <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM >>> *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial >>> >>> Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to >>> the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't >>> find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I >>> used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only >>> shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. >>> >>> Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three >>> of toluene, MEK & Acetone or do they all work individually? >>> >>> Next on the list is the vinyl cement, >>> >>> I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. >>> >>> >>> Neville (Nev) Gosling >>> Greater Vancouver, >>> B.C. 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