I am so glad to hear this. Prayers and thoughts of healing continue. Joyce
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Alexander < [email protected]> wrote: > Joyce: Thanks. She feels a LOT better today. Chuck > > > *From:* Joyce M Westphal <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:23 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots?? > > Thanks for the update..prayers for you and she this morning as well as > for all the other friends on this group. Joyce > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Chuck Alexander < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Joyce: Thanks a lot. And yeah, as soon as she woke up at 4:30am this >> morning in severe pain, and couldn’t get a deep breath, we didn’t worry >> about driving to the ER, but called 911 and got her there in an Ambulance. >> She is feeling a little better tonight. She has a great doc who even though >> we may not see her but once a day, keeps in touch with the nurses station >> all the time, cause she put my wife on new meds all day, as well as >> ordering new X-Rays, blood tests etc. My wife has been coughing up little >> specks of blood and that scared me to death, but they are telling us that >> that is a GOOD sign because it needs to get all that out of her lungs, >> which is why her doc started ordering breathing treatments 2-3 times a day >> now. To get that stuff coughed up, and to ward off pneumonia even though it >> hurts really bad to cough. And the nurse my wife has tonight just got over >> this SAME thing herself and in fact, JUST came back to work a week or two >> ago, and she said that YES. it hurts BADDDDD. And she said that too, that >> it has been a long road to total recovery. I’m just glad she had a doc and >> nurses who are caring, and take time to explain what’s going on, and just >> seem to genuinely care in general. Thanks a LOT for all the info. Many ppl >> don’t want to hear all the ‘gory details” but we are just the opposite. We >> like to know what we might expect both good and/or bad. Thanks again, Chuck >> >> >> *From:* Joyce M Westphal <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:11 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots?? >> >> I forgot to mention, with regard to the pain. You will get an idea of >> what hypoxic pain is like, for that is what the pain from blood clots is, >> pain that blocks oxygen to areas of the lungs, if you will tie a string >> tightly around your finger and see how painful it is as your finger turns >> blue. Interestingly, one of the methods of torture during the inquisition >> was to place tourniquets on the limbs and watch the victim suffer. When we >> know that we will have to use a tourniquet on a limb for foot surgery, we >> place the patient under general anesthesia because hypoxic pain is very >> severe. Even under an anesthetic, after about 1/2 hour with the >> tourniquet, the blood pressure begins to rise and Fentanyl, our most >> reliable and potent adjunct, doesn't really control the response after 1-2 >> hours. So yes, the pain is severe, but she must note whether the pain >> areas or quality of pain changes as well..in short, does she have sudden >> increase in, or a much more intense pain or a new area that suddenly or >> even gradually becomes more painful. Hope this helps and prayers continue. >> Recovery is very possible, but long and painful. Joyce >> >> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Joyce M Westphal <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> My brother in law suffered from them for almost 3 months, As >>> previously stated, the coumadin only prevents new ones from forming, the >>> old ones have to slowly dissolve by themselves. Watch her carefully, >>> however. If she suddenly has a marked increase in pain or shortness of >>> breath, get her to the ER right away as sometimes a clot can move and block >>> a new and more important area of the lung or heart. >>> Having said that, and not to scare you, but our anesthesiologist >>> simply bumped his shin on a bed at home, a small bruise, he thought *(and >>> remember, he's an MD) . He ended up with full blown septecemia after a >>> pneumonia, respiratory distress syndrome, then into total organ shut down, >>> dialysis to try and save his kidneys and ICU intubated for a week, in ICU, >>> then Intermediate care for another two weeks and it has taken him six >>> months to even begin to feel better. Incredibly, he did survive, thanks to >>> modern medicine and great doctors. So, as previously stated, watch her >>> carefully and if you have any concerns, don't be afraid to go back to the >>> ER and demand they take another look. She should have another followup >>> X-ray in about 2 weeks. Joyce >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Chuck, Clots in the lungs can be very painful and the pain can last for >>>> a few days. Even though she is being treated, the clots are still there, >>>> they just don't go away overnite. The coumadin just prevents more clots to >>>> form, it is up to the body's own defenseses to get rid of the clot. And >>>> that can take quite some time. So it is a long process to recover from... >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> ---- Chuck Alexander <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Folks: Here’s the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little >>>> bit ago and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently >>>> not completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us >>>> outright the other day that since my wife’s new to her job and has no >>>> insurance, that she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she >>>> had good insurance. Ain’t that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife >>>> this morning “This is more painful than having a baby”. And it’s going to >>>> get worse before it gets better according to the doc because they are >>>> having to give her breathing treatments, to ward off pneumonia, because she >>>> tries to hold back the coughing and deep breathing because it hurts a lot >>>> worse to breath deeply or to cough. But, the doc says that she MUST cough >>>> to get the lungs clear both of the clots and to stop pneumonia. They now >>>> have her in dilaudid (sp) for pain. >>>> > >>>> > Now, my question for everybody is this. Or at least to anybody who >>>> may have ever had a blood clot in their lungs. Are blood clots REALLY that >>>> painful??? I mean, I know they are, cause my wife has a high threshold for >>>> pain, but is the doc being totally honest in that THAT is what is causing >>>> THAT much pain??? The doc says that THAT much severe pain is “normal” in >>>> having and/or getting rid of blood clots. Is the doc being totally >>>> honest??? If so, how long should the pain last from the onset of >>>> treatment??? I know everybody is different, and the number, size, and >>>> location of the clots all play into it, but this has me worried that the >>>> doc isn’t being totally honest about this??? Thanks for ANY answers in >>>> advance. 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