Doug:  I just read your interesting and honest post where
you describe the level of "perfection" you are striving for
in your fly tying.  I thought you made some valid points,
and I appreciated all that you said, except for one thing: 
I don't think that you, or I, (or anyone else) needs to
apologize for your/their  flies.  Some tiers seem to bring a
high degree of skill and feel for proportion and ease of
overcoming stumbling blocks that we encounter in our
learning.  Others  appear to never quite get this or that
concept quite right.  I have told my students many times
that "no one was blessed with all the gifts" (abililty and
ease of learning).  Your strengths might be in certain area
or style of fly pattern.  Mine might be in a different area.
 Someone else may do this other thing really well.  For all
the rest of it, we will have to pay the price.  I was very
flattered when Joyce Westphal looked at some of my Adams
patterns, and told me that I had a good eye for proportion. 
What a compliment!  From Joyce!  Here's the whole point
about the "perfection" which we all strive toward when we
tie:  we are probably our own worst critics, and if your fly
will catch fish, perhaps that is the perfection we hope for.
 I think that the most important part of the whole process
is the striving.
What a garbled web I just wove.   Forgive the philosophical
journey.

Larry Johnson

Big J

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Let me see if I can explain what I am looking for more
clearly.

The very first fly I learned to tie was an Adams.  I bought
one of those
packaged kits that has enough material for three or four
flies and began
tying.  Through the years, I have accumulated material,
tools, books, etc.

I have been content to tie flies that were good enough to
catch a fish or
two in the Gunnison, the White River in AR, the wilderness
of Maine, and off
the Atlantic Coast.

However, I do not have the confidence that my flies are
worth swapping.  I
am SURE that the patterns I tie could be improved.  You
would agree with
that.

Here's the problem:  without something to compare my flies
to (other than my
own ego or a two dimensional picture) I have no way of
judging progress or
critiquing myself.  Hence the need for a "benchmark" fly.
Not one suitable
for framing or one to simply collect; just a good working
model of a certain
pattern.  A picture does not allow me to feel the stiffness
of a hackle; a
view from different angles; to float the fly in a glass of
water and see how
it rests in the surface film.

Suppose I went to the nearest fly shop, closed my eyes,
dipped my hand into
the Adams drawer and withdrew a fly.  Would this fly be a
good
representation of what a well-tied Adams should look like? 
I simply do not
know.

Someone was kind enough to suggest that I eneter lots of
swaps and host a
few.  I will take their advice - and apologize for my flies
and solicit
critique along the way.

Thanks for letting me be part of this list!  I am learning
with every day -
and am in the company of some really great fly folks!

Doug

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