Tony,
        I am not talking about the hackle twisting but of the fly actually
causing the tippet to twist.  I have had problems with the fly acting as a
little propeller during the cast.  That is one of the main reasons I cut a
small V notch in the bottom of the collar.

Bob H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Spezio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:46 AM
Subject: [VFB] DonO's & tippet twist.Now Tony's reply


> Bob,
> I am just getting in on this thread and hope I am in the ball park with
this
> reply. We are talking about the hackle twisting are we not. If not, than
this
> reply may help a new commer.
> I find that tippet  twist can be eliminated most times if the barbs are
> stripped about 1/8" from the side of the stem that is against the hook. In
> other words, the first turn is done on the bare stem. I used to strip the
barbs
> from both sides but found that stripping the barbs from one side works
just as
> well.
> The hackle is tied in and just a few barbs are plucked from the side where
the
> hook shank is, leaving the bare stem to start the wrap. It might be just
as
> easy to tie in the hackle leaving some bare stem on both sides to start
the
> wrap. If you are talking about Palmer hackle, that is a different story.
> Would be glad to post on that if there is an interest.
> Don, I have seen you tie and I know I can learn something from you. Too
bad
> there was not enough time to get together with you and Jerry G any longer
than
> we did in SLC.
> Tony     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Bob Haering wrote:
>
> > That is the way it should be.  We all tye & fish in the manner we enjoy
the
> > most.  By the way Don I also prep the hackle so the barbs are at 90
degrees
> > to the stem.  Just can't get rid of the hold habit.  I am wondering if
have
> > experienced tippet twist from the hackle?  Has anyone else?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VFB] Second Disclaimer- DonO's
> >
> > >
> > > We're all friends here (although I still haven't heard back from
DonO..).
> > > Chris.
> > >
> > > Just returned from the show and read all the posts.  Can't see what
the
> > fuss
> > > was all about.
> > > Someone asked for opinions and he got them.  (Someone even ties flies
> > > backwards on the hooks (and he wasn't the first) and sells them!)  I'm
> > sure
> > > I can sit at Tony's feet and learn many neat and wonderful things.
And
> > > Jimmy's.  And Dean's.  And everyone elses.  And maybe they can learn a
> > thing
> > > or two from me.  It's called sharing.  Too bad when people share
opinions
> > it
> > > doesn't go as smoothly.  But is good to see that friendship won out.
You
> > > guys are great.
> > > IMHO anyway,
> > > DonO
> > > P.S. But I'm still not going to trim my hackles unless I want to.  So
> > there.
> > >
>
>


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