Bob, and rest I didn't want to load up the original post with a whole bunch of stuff, but there are a few more fine points to consider when wrapping collar hackles.
1. I look for a broad footprint of hackle tips to spread out the load on the water. The old stripped hackle method looked like a narrow band of dense hackle- not wrong, just different. My wrapping pattern is fairly well set to fan out the hackles for what I want. I do not wrap one in front of the next until done (the winch wrap). I also use the hackles to 'set' the wings in position. 2. Hackle tension is important to get the hackles to stand out due to the pressure you're exerting on the stem. I sometimes save a little dubbing to thinly dub the collar base to just behind the eye. This allows a soft base to make the hackles stand straight out. The hackles on the hook-side have to reverse direction in order to stand out, so this base, along with pressure, help them to do this without coming off at an angle. 3. I also do what Tony does, stripping off a few barbs in order to get the hackle started correctly. There is no problem with Whiting, but other hackles, especially older ones, have a lot of problems with twisting, even halfway thru the tie sometimes. If you are having a problem with a hackle that wants to twist, roll the hackle in a helicopter rotation while under some pressure. This will roll/twist the hackle back to the right angle. Roll right or left as required. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Haering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] DonO's & tippet twist.Now Tony's reply > Tony, > I am not talking about the hackle twisting but of the fly actually > causing the tippet to twist. I have had problems with the fly acting as a > little propeller during the cast. That is one of the main reasons I cut a > small V notch in the bottom of the collar. > > Bob H > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Spezio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: [VFB] DonO's & tippet twist.Now Tony's reply > > > > Bob, > > I am just getting in on this thread and hope I am in the ball park with > this > > reply. We are talking about the hackle twisting are we not. If not, than > this > > reply may help a new commer. > > I find that tippet twist can be eliminated most times if the barbs are > > stripped about 1/8" from the side of the stem that is against the hook. In > > other words, the first turn is done on the bare stem. I used to strip the > barbs > > from both sides but found that stripping the barbs from one side works > just as > > well. > > The hackle is tied in and just a few barbs are plucked from the side where > the > > hook shank is, leaving the bare stem to start the wrap. It might be just > as > > easy to tie in the hackle leaving some bare stem on both sides to start > the > > wrap. If you are talking about Palmer hackle, that is a different story. > > Would be glad to post on that if there is an interest. > > Don, I have seen you tie and I know I can learn something from you. Too > bad > > there was not enough time to get together with you and Jerry G any longer > than > > we did in SLC. > > Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Bob Haering wrote: > > > > > That is the way it should be. We all tye & fish in the manner we enjoy > the > > > most. By the way Don I also prep the hackle so the barbs are at 90 > degrees > > > to the stem. Just can't get rid of the hold habit. I am wondering if > have > > > experienced tippet twist from the hackle? Has anyone else? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Second Disclaimer- DonO's > > > > > > > > > > > We're all friends here (although I still haven't heard back from > DonO..). > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > > Just returned from the show and read all the posts. Can't see what > the > > > fuss > > > > was all about. > > > > Someone asked for opinions and he got them. (Someone even ties flies > > > > backwards on the hooks (and he wasn't the first) and sells them!) I'm > > > sure > > > > I can sit at Tony's feet and learn many neat and wonderful things. > And > > > > Jimmy's. And Dean's. And everyone elses. And maybe they can learn a > > > thing > > > > or two from me. It's called sharing. Too bad when people share > opinions > > > it > > > > doesn't go as smoothly. But is good to see that friendship won out. > You > > > > guys are great. > > > > IMHO anyway, > > > > DonO > > > > P.S. But I'm still not going to trim my hackles unless I want to. So > > > there. > > > > > > > > > >
