Ahh allright! Thank you very much for answering that question. Now that you've given me some information, I've got three additional questions along the same lines. Just for fun, I'm hoping you could tell me:
- How many generations does it take to breed cree? - How long does it take from the beginning to the end of the process? - Is cree a guaranteed result of this breeding process or is it kind of a hit or miss thing? Thanks a lot for the insight Don! John "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/20/2002 10:35:48 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: John Roth-CPD/USA/MCCRK) Subject: Re: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply John, Cree is the result of successive mix-breedings of grizzley, brown, and ginger. It takes generations of 'variants' to get the final cree, so it is rare. The end result, a cree rooster, does not breed true, so it must be started over each time. Bronze and Silver necks have the same quality feather, the bronze just has fewer of them. They sell in a hearbeat because of the 'collectability' factor. If you want one and see one- grab it. The store employees usually grab them first. They did well, getting a few silvers and bronzes. I auctioned a framed Signature Platinum Cree neck and saddle for $805. The original adams was tied with cree, as was the original humpy. Most people are so used to seeing the brown/grizzly combo adams that a true cree adams just doesn't look right. The long feathers from cree necks were used in a lot of pike and bass patterns. More original patterns would have incorporated cree if it was available in the quality and quantity it is nowadays. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > Hey Don. I've got a question that I'm hoping you might be able to answer. > Why is cree so difficult to find? I assume its difficult to breed, but any > information you can give would be appreciated. > > I got a call today from one of the guys at the fly shop telling me that he > just got a few bronze and silver cree necks in today. I called him back > about 3 hours later and they were already gone. I can't think of that many > flies that require cree hackles! > > John > > > > > > > "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/20/2002 04:39:39 PM > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: (bcc: John Roth-CPD/USA/MCCRK) > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > > Mike, > I'm not a hackle retailer by any stretch, so the best way to get exactly > what you need is to buy a few Whiting 100 paks from your local store. 100% > useage and just the right size. Cree will be hard to get in any form, but > put in an order for a hundred pak- it may get filled. > > DonO > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:34 AM > Subject: RE: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > > > how do i go about getting a pak of cree or grizzly from you don? i'm > tring > > to tie some dry flys and could use the advise it sounds like the the way > to > > go, tie good one's to start with but it helps if the hackles are in the > > right sizes right? it's been quit awhile since i sat at the table but > it's > > time to get back at it so would like advise if possible thanks mike > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don Ordes > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:23 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (*Don's comments) > > > > Here is the deal: I CANT TIE DRY FLIES!!!! > > Either they sink, float on their side, come apart, or just look sick! > > > > *All dries will sink with drag, land on their sides when wet ot slimed, > > come apart when chewed on or cast a lot, and ratty-looking flies > > catch just as many fish. So what's your problem again? > > > > I can't afford full high quality hackles, so I use what I can get. > > > > *Hint- Tie less flies, but of higher quality. Work on making each fly > > perfect. > > If it's not perfect, cut it off and tie it again. Figure out why it's > not > > coming > > out perfect. Ask questions here. But train yourself to self-train, too. > > As you repeat the 'perfect' process, speed will naturally come, and > you'll > > end up with many good flies. If you quickly tie lots of imperfect flies, > > this > > is what you're training yourself to tie- quick, imperfect flies. Train > > yourself > > to only be satisfied with perfection and it will come. And train > yourself > > not to get frustrated. This is as much a key as is talent or money or > > anything else. > > > > > > I have seen Whiting 100s advertised. Are they any good for a start? > > > > *They are perfect for what you need. Decent price, no waste, consistent > > quality. > > > > I am planning on tying just one size of one type of fly, say a # 12 > Adams. > > > > *How many #12 Adams do you plan on tying? A Whiting 100 pak will give > you > > 100 Adams flies. Tie them well, and that's a season's worth. YOu may > even > > be > > able to find a hundred pak of cree. But if not, go with brown & grizzly > > mixed for the hackles. Then you still have brown and grizzly to tie > other > > flies. > > > > Can I omit the upright and divided wings and still enjoy a fish getting > > fly? > > > > *Yes, you may, but wings are an important part of the 'strike image' of > > up-wing style > > dry flies. It's better to have a 'no-hackle fly' than a 'no-wing fly'. > Get > > a winger neck, as these are cheap and very easy to learn to use, and one > > neck will wing a hundred flies. If you can't find them, I can send you > one. > > > > Do you have anything in your vast knowledge of dry fly tying that you > would > > care to pass on? > > Del > > > > *I just did, and the only thing that is 'vast' around here is me. lol > > DonO > > > > *Practice, patience, persistence. (The same with tying as with fishing.) > > Learning to tie a certain pattern (or master a new material) has to be as > > much fun as being able to tie the finished product. This is crucial > because > > you'll spend much more time learning to tie a pattern than you will spend > > time tying what you're already good at. > > Enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Enjoy the process of > figuring > > it out. > > This is what good tiers are all about. > > > > > > > > > > > > >
