You can try Collins Hackle Farms for a cree. He usually has a few every year. You will probably be put on the waiting list for next year. I got a Cree from them & I had to order it in June.
Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > John, > Cree is the result of successive mix-breedings of grizzley, brown, and > ginger. > It takes generations of 'variants' to get the final cree, so it is rare. > The end result, a cree rooster, does not breed true, so it must be started > over each time. > Bronze and Silver necks have the same quality feather, the bronze just has > fewer of them. > They sell in a hearbeat because of the 'collectability' factor. If you want > one and see one- grab it. The store employees usually grab them first. > They did well, getting a few silvers and bronzes. > I auctioned a framed Signature Platinum Cree neck and saddle for $805. > > The original adams was tied with cree, as was the original humpy. Most > people are so used to seeing the brown/grizzly combo adams that a true cree > adams just doesn't look right. > > The long feathers from cree necks were used in a lot of pike and bass > patterns. More original patterns would have incorporated cree if it was > available in the quality and quantity it is nowadays. > > DonO > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > > > > > Hey Don. I've got a question that I'm hoping you might be able to answer. > > Why is cree so difficult to find? I assume its difficult to breed, but > any > > information you can give would be appreciated. > > > > I got a call today from one of the guys at the fly shop telling me that he > > just got a few bronze and silver cree necks in today. I called him back > > about 3 hours later and they were already gone. I can't think of that > many > > flies that require cree hackles! > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/20/2002 04:39:39 PM > > > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > cc: (bcc: John Roth-CPD/USA/MCCRK) > > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > > > > > Mike, > > I'm not a hackle retailer by any stretch, so the best way to get exactly > > what you need is to buy a few Whiting 100 paks from your local store. > 100% > > useage and just the right size. Cree will be hard to get in any form, but > > put in an order for a hundred pak- it may get filled. > > > > DonO > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mike kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:34 AM > > Subject: RE: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > > > > > > how do i go about getting a pak of cree or grizzly from you don? i'm > > tring > > > to tie some dry flys and could use the advise it sounds like the the way > > to > > > go, tie good one's to start with but it helps if the hackles are in the > > > right sizes right? it's been quit awhile since i sat at the table but > > it's > > > time to get back at it so would like advise if possible thanks mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don Ordes > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:23 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > (*Don's comments) > > > > > > Here is the deal: I CANT TIE DRY FLIES!!!! > > > Either they sink, float on their side, come apart, or just look sick! > > > > > > *All dries will sink with drag, land on their sides when wet ot slimed, > > > come apart when chewed on or cast a lot, and ratty-looking flies > > > catch just as many fish. So what's your problem again? > > > > > > I can't afford full high quality hackles, so I use what I can get. > > > > > > *Hint- Tie less flies, but of higher quality. Work on making each fly > > > perfect. > > > If it's not perfect, cut it off and tie it again. Figure out why it's > > not > > > coming > > > out perfect. Ask questions here. But train yourself to self-train, > too. > > > As you repeat the 'perfect' process, speed will naturally come, and > > you'll > > > end up with many good flies. If you quickly tie lots of imperfect > flies, > > > this > > > is what you're training yourself to tie- quick, imperfect flies. Train > > > yourself > > > to only be satisfied with perfection and it will come. And train > > yourself > > > not to get frustrated. This is as much a key as is talent or money or > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > I have seen Whiting 100s advertised. Are they any good for a start? > > > > > > *They are perfect for what you need. Decent price, no waste, consistent > > > quality. > > > > > > I am planning on tying just one size of one type of fly, say a # 12 > > Adams. > > > > > > *How many #12 Adams do you plan on tying? A Whiting 100 pak will give > > you > > > 100 Adams flies. Tie them well, and that's a season's worth. YOu may > > even > > > be > > > able to find a hundred pak of cree. But if not, go with brown & grizzly > > > mixed for the hackles. Then you still have brown and grizzly to tie > > other > > > flies. > > > > > > Can I omit the upright and divided wings and still enjoy a fish getting > > > fly? > > > > > > *Yes, you may, but wings are an important part of the 'strike image' of > > > up-wing style > > > dry flies. It's better to have a 'no-hackle fly' than a 'no-wing fly'. > > Get > > > a winger neck, as these are cheap and very easy to learn to use, and one > > > neck will wing a hundred flies. If you can't find them, I can send you > > one. > > > > > > Do you have anything in your vast knowledge of dry fly tying that you > > would > > > care to pass on? > > > Del > > > > > > *I just did, and the only thing that is 'vast' around here is me. lol > > > DonO > > > > > > *Practice, patience, persistence. (The same with tying as with > fishing.) > > > Learning to tie a certain pattern (or master a new material) has to be > as > > > much fun as being able to tie the finished product. This is crucial > > because > > > you'll spend much more time learning to tie a pattern than you will > spend > > > time tying what you're already good at. > > > Enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Enjoy the process of > > figuring > > > it out. > > > This is what good tiers are all about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
