Alan,
at least they float really weill till they catch the fist fish. Than you
have to clean them carefully and use an Amadou to dry them. - Common
precedure for CDC flies.

Standing up straight? Not sure, usually I have problems to see them well on
the river due to distance. Never did a test-drive. But as they catch
fish....
 BTW: I have wings on them, ty them in 12 to 16 not smaller.

Rene

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Alan Di Somma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 12:12
Betreff: Re: [VFB] Featherduster flies -- Improved Adams


>Thanks Rene, I sort of thought that was what you were doing but I wanted to
>be sure. Do they float real good? Do they stand up straight? Or lean to one
>side that is so prevelant in tying Adams?
>Alan Di Somma
>Phoenix,Az.
>
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>
>
>"Things you might already know"
>
>There is a theory which states that if everybody discovers exactly what the
>universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
>replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
>There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rene Zillmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [VFB] Featherduster flies -- Improved Adams
>
>
>: Alan,
>: I use the CDC instead of the muscrat dubbing.
>: I stroke the barbules to the tip's side, ty it in approximately at the
>: feathers middle (at the hooks bend or whereever the tail of the fly is).
>: Then I pull gently at the feather's butt while twisting the feather.
Forms
>a
>: neat 'rope'. When the feather is at it's tip (or near by, sometimes I
have
>: to repeat the procedure) I wrap it as the body etc.
>: During the forming of the body always some of the barbules get loose, but
>: that's what I need. These free barbules are the 'legs' which add the
>: movement to the fly.
>:
>: The list already compared it with Hans' CDC and Elk, it is a similar
>: concept.
>:
>: I've usuallty some of these flies in different body colors (grey, yellow,
>: orange) with me and there are times where they are the killer.
>:
>: BTW: some times ago I found a bag with copped CDC ferathers sold as CDC
>: dubbing. Using this stuff in a dubbing loop works similar.
>:
>: Rene
>:
>:
>: -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
>: Von: Alan Di Somma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: Datum: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 00:42
>: Betreff: Re: [VFB] Featherduster flies -- Improved Adams
>:
>:
>: >Rene:
>: >
>: >How do you attach the CDC? By the tip or butt?
>: >Do you use it in place of mushrat dubbing?
>: >Or do you use it instead of palmering a hackle?
>: >
>: >Alan Di Somma
>: >Phoenix,Az.
>: >
>: >http://www.azod.com
>: >http://www.azflycasters.org/
>: >http://www.wmonline.com/attract/lakes.htm
>: >http://www.wmonline.com/attract/streams.htm
>: >
>: >
>: >"Things you might already know"
>: >All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to
>: >criticism.
>: >
>: >----- Original Message -----
>: >From: "Rene Zillmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: >Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:28 PM
>: >Subject: Re: [VFB] Featherduster flies -- Improved Adams
>: >
>: >
>: >: Larry,
>: >:
>: >: I use a CDC feather for the body of an improved Adams. The CDC
barbules
>: >add
>: >: a lot of movement to the fly and they add floatability.
>: >: Is the ostrich Adams a good floater? I never tried it. Always thought
>: that
>: >: the ostrich plume will soak quickly and caause the fly to sink.
>: >:
>: >: Rene
>: >:
>: >: -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
>: >: Von: Larry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: >: An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: >: Datum: Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 20:37
>: >: Betreff: Re: [VFB] Featherduster flies
>: >:
>: >:
>: >: >Regarding ostrich hurls:  I use a gray ostrich feather for
>: >: >the body of an Adams.  It's a little fluffy, but gives a
>: >: >great "swimmy" action to the body.  You can run into trouble
>: >: >if you want to tie  a #16, but the size of the feather would
>: >: >be better suited to a #12.  We call it an Ostrich/Adams.  A
>: >: >good variation on a proven pattern.
>: >: >
>: >: >Larry Johnson
>: >: >
>: >: >BIG J
>: >: >
>: >:
>: >:
>: >
>:
>:
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