Re: [VFB] Rod building question

[Allan Fish]

Another minor difference between the old violins and the bamboo rods. 
The violins were made from wood but bamboo is a grass.

yust my 2 cents worth. I have absotuvely no experience with bamboo.

Allan


Mark
I wonder how many Stradivarius violins were used in the rain ? I think if
they were used in the same manner as a fishing rod there would be a lot
fewer old violins in the world. I am also curious why we don't see the
modern cane rod  builders using intermediate wraps to stiffen the bamboo
rods today?
Mel
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From: Mark Wendt (Contractor) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Rod building question

 Henk,

          I think hide glue actually has quite a bit of shear strength to
 it.  Mel mentioned earlier that it could and sometimes did deteriorate
over
 time, but a lot of that has to do with the condition of the finish.  Heck,
 look at old musical instruments like Stradivarius violins.  They were made
 using hide glue.  And I would bet that there are places on a violin that
 see more constant stress than our old fishin' poles.  The finishes on most
 old Strad's are kept in pretty good shape, considering the age, and I
would
 think that has a lot to do with how well the violins hold together.

 Mark

 At 10:16 AM 10/4/2003, you wrote:
 Larry,
 >>         Almost, but not exactly.  If you happen to see an old bamboo
rod
 >> that was made before the days of heat treating, they used intermediate
 >> wraps to "stiffen" the rod.  You would see, about every inch or so the
 >> length of the rod, a short, maybe 5 turn wrap.  One fella in Australia
I
 >> know, was restoring one of these old rods, and for grins and giggles,
he
 >> left the intermediate wraps off.  Said the rod cast like a wet
 >> noodle.  Put the new intermediate wraps on, went back out and cast, and
 >> the rod was back to it's old, crisp action.
 >>Whether the crispness returned because of an increase in cross section
at
 >>the point of the wrap, or some other PFM, I'll leave that up to the
 >>engineers to discuss...  :^}
 >
 >'sFar's I know, back in those days, intermediate wraps were there to keep
 >the sections together, since the shear strength of the glues used was
next
 >to nothing, compared to current glues. It just might be that without the
 >wraps, such rods experience some slip between the sections while casting,
 >dissipating a lot of energy that should end up in the line?
 >
 >henk
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Allan Fish
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