From: Allan Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [VFB] Rod building question Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:19:30 -0500
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Al,
In a little bit of a hurry so let me reply quickly. Both theories are true. Intermediate wraps do keep old hide glue rods together. They also stiffen the action. I've built rods with and without intermediates, and there is a marked difference. Just think about it... the intermediates definitely make the rod larger in cross section, thus increasing the taper. They simply must make a difference.
Gotta run, Harry
Allan Fish wrote:
Harry,
A lot of discussion on the Virtual Flybox list about why intermediate wraps were used between the guides on old-timey bamboo rods. Some felt it was to stiffen the bamboo. Others felt it was because the hide glue degraded and this helped prevent the sections from slipping.
Any thoughts?
This particular response was referring to the fact that there are still violins around that were made in the 18th century, but no bamboo rods.
Al
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Mark
I wonder how many Stradivarius violins were used in the rain ? I think if
they were used in the same manner as a fishing rod there would be a lot
fewer old violins in the world. I am also curious why we don't see the
modern cane rod builders using intermediate wraps to stiffen the bamboo
rods today?
Mel
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Henk,
I think hide glue actually has quite a bit of shear strength to
it. Mel mentioned earlier that it could and sometimes did deteriorate
over
time, but a lot of that has to do with the condition of the finish. Heck,
look at old musical instruments like Stradivarius violins. They were made
using hide glue. And I would bet that there are places on a violin that
see more constant stress than our old fishin' poles. The finishes on most
old Strad's are kept in pretty good shape, considering the age, and I
would
think that has a lot to do with how well the violins hold together.
Mark
At 10:16 AM 10/4/2003, you wrote: Larry,
>> Almost, but not exactly. If you happen to see an old bamboo
rod
>> that was made before the days of heat treating, they used intermediate
>> wraps to "stiffen" the rod. You would see, about every inch or so the
>> length of the rod, a short, maybe 5 turn wrap. One fella in Australia
I
>> know, was restoring one of these old rods, and for grins and giggles,
he
>> left the intermediate wraps off. Said the rod cast like a wet
>> noodle. Put the new intermediate wraps on, went back out and cast, and
>> the rod was back to it's old, crisp action.
>>Whether the crispness returned because of an increase in cross section
at
>>the point of the wrap, or some other PFM, I'll leave that up to the
>>engineers to discuss... :^}
>
>'sFar's I know, back in those days, intermediate wraps were there to keep
>the sections together, since the shear strength of the glues used was
next
>to nothing, compared to current glues. It just might be that without the
>wraps, such rods experience some slip between the sections while casting,
>dissipating a lot of energy that should end up in the line?
>
>henk
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