DonO: I usually always use a "haul" when casting, but I guess I just need more practice. I think now that my main problem is what you mentioned, that I am not pulling the fly up and out of the water fast enough, and also like others said, that I am trying to go straight back instead of some "up" to the backcast, which would be real important as 99% of my fly fishing is done SITTING in my little jon boat, (cause my boat is too narrow to stand up in or you'll turn over, or fall out of the boat if not reaL CAREFUL) and when I back cast straight back, I DO get a lot of them hit the water behind me, which just screws up the whole cast...On the cam corder, I will try that for sure. On the panga fishing, if I had $1200 (or $600, or $300 LOL) in my rig, I'd have a rope around the rod on one end and the other end of the rope around my wrist LOL. The fish would have to pull ME in with that rig LOL..Chuck

----- Original Message ----- From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Casting heavy flies


Chuck,
If you have access to a video camera...have someone video you or set it up
on a tripod.  It will help you see where you need work.

Something you want to work on while you're practicing is hauling and
double-hauling, i.e., pre-loading the cast with a strong pull of line by
your non-casting hand just before the back-cast and fore-cast.

Off subject- I'm working on setting up another trip to Loreto in Aug. No way to practice for that- casting heavy salt-flies in every direction and
at every distance to streaking dorado while standing on the bow of a panga
that's bobbing up and down like a big cork in the surf.  One main effort
while casting is minding the slack line.  If you get 'took', the slack is
gone in a second, and any hang-up means a lost fish from a snapped leader.
Worse yet is when the line wraps the back end of the reel or the rod-butt
and the dorado jerks the rod right out of your hand.  I know of two guys
this happened to.  Kiss about $1200 good-bye.  Hasn't happened to me yet,
but I'm wary to it and have a death-grip on the rod during the hook-up.

DonO


----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Casting heavy flies


Thanks to everybody on the casting tips.. I think I'll start using these
"fishing but not catching" days as "heavy fly casting practice" days..
Thanks, Chuck

----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Spezio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Casting heavy flies


> Allan,
> You covered it, what I should of said when I said
> "slow down the cast" did not mean a soft (slow) rod.
> It meant to "SLOW" down the action of the cast. In
> other words, give the line time it straighten out on
> the back cast and the fwd cast. The heavy fly will
> travel slower so more time is needed for the line to
> straighten out. With all of this, the line can't loose
> the speed it needs to stay straight so timing comes
> into the problem. If the cast is brought fwd too soon,
> you might get a tailing loop with a big tangle or a
> hit on the back of the head . If the rod is dropped
> too soon on the fwd cast, the line will flop down in a
> pile. The same thing can happen if the line speed is
> lost.
> I cast somewhat different than some others, I still
> get the line out and the fly where I want it. To me ,
> that is what counts.
> Tony
> --- Allan Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >so tony is a slow action rod better that a fast
>> action rod?and how can one
>> >tell?if a person is fishing with a hook size of 6
>> to say20 do you need a
>> >fast action rod.
>>
>> I'm not Tony, but I'm sure he will agree that
>> neither a slow rod nor
>> a fast rod is "better" than the other.
>> They just take slightly different casting styles.
>> Some people prefer
>> a fast rod.  Some people prefer a slow rod.  A lot
>> of people cast
>> either type equally well.
>>
>> In reality, they shouldn't be called "slow" and
>> "fast", since that
>> gives a bad connotation.  They should more
>> appropriately be called
>> 'soft action' and 'firm action'.  Often they are
>> called 'parabolic*
>> action' and 'tip action'.  *parabolic because when
>> the rod flexes the
>> entire length, it becomes a parabola.
>>
>> I guess the "slow" moniker came up because you might
>> have to delay
>> your forward cast a milli-second or two longer with
>> a soft action rod
>> to allow it to 'load' properly.
>>
>> Allan, drifting slowly back under the overhanging
>> bank.
>> -- >> Allan Fish
>> Greenwood, IN
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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