i suppose their is also a difference between an organized effort to be opensource verses 'sharing code' ;-)
the trend these days is to have an open API, but not share source code.
also, the opensource movement, in relation to code, can be looked at as overrated. their is prob a 9 to 1 ration of incomplete outdated projects verses active projects and often you see a cyclic nature where initial project leads get bored, leave and let somone else take over , until they get bored and leave etcetera....
still, much good has come from the opensource community. again, sharing code verses sharing complete working software are different things and i guess we sometimes blur them.
btw, good eye on openvision... i somehow thought the code was already released. i have a feeling they will indeed release it though, as they seem to subscribe to the notion of making money by offering services, as they are the experts of their code ;-)
sull
On 9/8/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your points are good and true.
Unless its just their website being out of date, that openvision link
you sent, that stuff isnt the first to be truly opensourced either as
far as Im concerned, becaause it hasnt happened yet. One of my big
points was the difference between saying something will be opensource,
and actually releasing the code. Up until the moment they actually
clean the code up and release it, theres always the opportuunity for
them to change their minds.
I know ourmedia released the sourcecode for a version of the uploader,
but I hadnt noticed any drupal modules, but maybe Im out of date
again. I know it wouldnt take all that much time for developers to
create similar features/modifications themselves, but its back to my
reinventing the wheel point again.
From where Im sitting at least half the genius and value of these
tools is in the design of user interface and the features they offer,
and the clever ways the developers join different bits of technology
together in imaginitive ways. Im extremely greatful to everyone who
contributed to this stuff in any way, whether or not they ever release
any code.
Its all sharing, I just want to see just how far peoples inclination
to share will go, and true opensource is pushing it to the max. If
people think they'l be shooting themselves in the foot by going
opensource, dont do it.
I better stop nattering about this subject now, sorry if Ive posted
too much today.
Steve of Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Michael Sullivan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is the first media aggregator to be truly open sourced:
> http://openvision.tv/home/home.html
>
> give it some more time, and you will see many more come out as 'yet
another
> media aggregator' similar to p2p apps.
>
> also, as far as I know, ourmedia code is avail... uses drupal and some
> modules that are in the drupal cvs repository.
> if not, i imagine if a serious developer requested some code, they
would get
> it from ourmedia dev. truthfully, nothing on ourmedia is so uniqie
that you
> wouldnt be able to find code elsewhere that can do the same thing.
>
> mefeedia,vlogdir,vimeo,vided and others all take advantage of
opensource
> software.... which is glued together with some custom code to make
it work
> as the developers want it to. again, if serious developers were to
inquire
> and form a relationship, likely they would get access to sample code
> etcetera... Ro has not been around, but he is very open to helping
in such
> ways.... he helped build mefeedia and his vlog minis etc.
> ffmpeg is used often. for instance, mefeedia's thumbnail generator
uses it
> as does vimeo. its not a secret.
> i dont think fireant intends to release code.... nor should they if
they
> plan to work out business strategies.
> vlogmap is just working off the open google API. anyone can do the same
> thing if they wish.
>
> code that makes the most sense to release are frameworks where
developers
> can build modules for and offer custom solutions and
consulting/support to
> businesses.
>
> sull
>
> On 9/8/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I was specifically referring to software and services made
> > specifically for videobloggers. ourmedia, fireant, mefeedia, vlogmap
> > would be examples of the sorts of things I mean.
> >
> > Now its certainly true that it doesnt make much sense for some of
> > these services to be opensource, at least on face value. And I have no
> > problem if designers/coders decide to keep their code to themselves. I
> > am not trying to be negative about any of the services given as
> > examples above, nor demanding anything from them. They already give us
> > plenty for free.
> >
> > I am really just comparing the reality with what some people
> > originally said, trying to make a broader point about peoples ideal
> > principals vs the reality of what happens.
> >
> > Anyway the reasons I can think of why it would be useful for more some
> > videoblogging web-based services and softwares to be opensource are
> > things like:
> >
> > 1) Duplication of services, thus not putting all our eggs in one
> > basket. Ourmedia good. Ourmedia sourcecode so others can setup similar
> > services easily (but not with archive.org <http://archive.org>
hosting) =
> > even better. + If
> > the original developers disappear, the product isnt dead.
> >
> > 2) Less reinventing of the wheel. Leading to hopefully more global
> > human development hours spent on new and improved features, rather
> > than different people having to start from scratch every time.
> >
> > 3) Spreading the word about videoblogging
> >
> > If the motive is purely to make videoblogging grow and be accessible
> > and reliable for as many people as possible, why not make it easy for
> > developers to add videoblogging features to their own products? Its
> > for this reason that, even though I said a while ago that I would
> > understand if fireant wasnt going to be opensource after all, I cant
> > help but be a little disappointed. See from my perspective I just want
> > there to be as many videoblog aggregators around as possible, and
> > making it easy for developers to add such stuff by providing
> > sourcecode, might help.
> >
> > None of this matters if there arent the developers out there to make
> > use of opensource, so my stuff is theoretical in places, and Im not
> > demanding or even necessarily asking anybody to change their policy,
> > just thinking out loud really.
> >
> > Steve of Elbows
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Ludington" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > > Are you referring specifically to hosting services or to the
> > software used
> > > to edit
> >
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