I like your old guide, it may not need all that much of an update, need to hear from more creators on this, theres a hardcore who like to talk about these rights issues in depth, but many more who are angry enough to join in once a violation has occured, but for a multitude of valid reasons dont get into these discussions enough in the past to the level required to add a haevy weight of legitimacy to these rules we decide (ie who are 'we'? anyway)
By mentioning etiquette you have reminded me of something. After the network2.tv thing, I noticed that Chris Brogan mentioned on his blog about such things. However his perpective, perhaps understandably, was how rude some people (I guess evilvlog mostly ha) had been to him. Sure network2 may have made a wrong assumption, but why did some people have to respond in such a vile and hateful manner? Well that just made me angry to be honest because there was zero acknowledgement that maybe rudeness isnt just ranked by using dirty words, but that maybe the violations that network2 committed were a larger case of rudeness than anything we said. So anyways despite being a bit angry about that, and clearly I still dont love network2 no matter how many people whove dealt with them in real life may be enjoying the koolaid, I wondered if it would be fair to reflect on this and also add something in the etiquette that refers to how violated vloggers should respond to the violators? Well maybe this is a silly idea, do we really have more chance of affecting these entites behaviour than our own? parp parp! Cheers Steve Elbows --- In [email protected], "Mike Meiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wanted to start a new thread. > > Basically this is a discussion of where not only Myheavy.com went > wrong... but an opportunity to acknowlege and promote best practices > for proper re-vlogging. Mike Hudack is going to meet with MyHeavy.com > sometime in the next week or so and it would be nice if we could get > together a pretty good concensus on proper ways to display others > videos on your site. > > Here's my short list for the sake of starting discussion. These are > not laws... nor are they rules of thumb... they are more "things to > keep in mind if you don't want vloggers flaming your and suing you." > > 1) clear attribution - the vlog name at a minimum, and the original > post title if possible. > > 2) clear permalink back to the original blog post > > 3) no commercial usage, and no ads in the proximity of any embeded > video unless permission is otherwise granted... i.e. no advertising on > any page with an embeded video without explicit permission. > > 4) no transcoding or rehosting the video without permission > > 5) the licensce should be displayed if declared > > 7) "sharing" features such as "email this", "post to your blog", and > others... must follow the share-a-like principal. In other words they > MUST at a minimum contain a direct link to the original post > (permalink)... and the original video. No bouncing or redirecting or > obscuring of these urls for tracking purposes. > > > > For further reading... I did an OLD post on re-vlogging etiquette > about a year and a half ago. Please ffeel free to use it as source. > > ---the below copied from an earlier email--- > > http://mmeiser.com/wiki/index.php/Mike%27s_guide_to_re-vlogging_ettiquette#A_call_for_re-vlogging_etiquette > > Alt URL: > > http://tinyurl.com/cjcz7 > > Needless to say, now is the time for everyone who cares to > collaboratively throw in on a discussion or re-vlogging nettiquette > and figure out what they think is important. Hopefully just by kicking > it around in discussion Mike will have some great consensus when he > goes to meet with MyHeavy.com > > Personally, I'm sort of glad this happened... I don't think any long > term harm was done... (atleast not yet) > > And though MyHeavy.com was playing russin roullete, a dangerous game > of potentially getting their pants sued off for copyright > infringement... I don't think they're completely evil. I just think > they were extremely foolish... especially with their recent 12 or 14 > million (or whatever it was Jay Dedman said) in VC funding. > > There is an adage in copyright infringment. > > It's all "fair use" until money changes hands... then everything is suspect. > > Indeed there is a inverse relation between money and fair use. The > more money one has the more likely to get their pants sued off for > copyright infringement. > > Need I say anything more then "youtube"... or "google news and image > search" to illustrate my point. > > Indeed google is at the VERY forefront of this issue of fair use > preciesely because they're a HUGE monetary target. > > But I'm getting of topic. > > Now is the time to hash out some ideas on what is and what is not > considered proper re-vlogging etiquette in the vlogosphere. > > I'd reccommend starting another post called "a call for discussion on > re-vlogging ettiquette" or some such and tackling this issue. I think > we all have a pretty good idea > > 1) clear attribution - the vlog name at a minimum, and the original > post title if possible. > > 2) clear permalink back to the original blog post > > 3) no commercial usage, and no ads in the proximity of any embeded > video unless permission is otherwise granted... i.e. no advertising on > any page with an embeded video without explicit permission. > > 4) no transcoding or rehosting the video without permission > > 5) the licensce should be displayed if declared > > 7) "sharing" features such as "email this", "post to your blog", and > others... must follow the share-a-like principal. In other words they > MUST at a minimum contain a direct link to the original post > (permalink)... and the original video. No bouncing or redirecting or > obscuring of these urls should be allowed. > > Anyway, > > That's my start. > > As mentioned above, I have a whole article on this. From back in the > day when Delicious started supporting media. It was at the time > perhaps the first platform besides mefeedia where users could widely > re-blog media. > > http://mmeiser.com/wiki/index.php/Mike%27s_guide_to_re-vlogging_ettiquette > > Looking back now the thing is still as on point as when I wrote it... > about a year and a half ago... maybe more. > > Perhaps it is time for an update. > > Anyone want to collaborate on a whole new article? > > Feel free to use my article, and my wiki if you like. That's what it's > there fore. Even better if there is some other community vlogging wiki > space people are using now? > > Peace, > > -Mike > mefeedia.com > mmeiser.com/blog > > On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're embedding two types of control metadata in our RSS right now. > > > > First up is Creative Commons metadata using the "creativeCommons" > > namespace: > > > > <creativeCommons:license>http://address.of.license/foo/bar/</creativeCom > > mons:license> > > > > Second is MediaRSS aggregation restriction: > > > > <media:restriction relationship="deny" > > type="uri">urn:yahoo</media:restriction> > > > > One of the things we'll be working with MyHeavy on is their respect for > > media:restriction. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WWWhatsup > > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:28 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding > > > Vlogger CC Licenses > > > > > > Mike Hudack wrote: > > > >They have disabled their aggregation functionality entirely for the > > > >time being. I just got off the phone with their CEO, who > > > was very contrite. > > > >We'll be meeting with them next week to figure out how to do this > > > >right, and allow people to opt in and out from blip using MediaRSS. > > > > > > > > > Presumably this will be a tag anyone can use? > > > > > > There is no licence tag in MediaRSS at present right? > > > > > > joly > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > WWWhatsup NYC > > > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
