Bah, standards ;) but, yes, good point.
-- Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: >> Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than >> rel=thumbnail in this example? >> (It's consistent?) >> > > The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for <img> > > -josh > > > On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than >> rel=thumbnail in this example? >> (It's consistent?) >> >> Thanks, >> Devlon Duthie >> http://devlonduthie.com >> >> Find great independent video: >> http://mefeedia.com >> >> >> >> Joshua Kinberg wrote: >> >>>> class="media-thumbnail" ? >>>> >>>> >>> Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is >>> needed is standardization on the class name. >>> >>> Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type >>> of block that refers to the video, like this: >>> >>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"> >>> <img src="http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg"; class="media-thumbnail" /> >>> </a> >>> >>> That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. >>> >>> my .02 cents... >>> >>> >>> -Josh >>> >>> >>> On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 2/9/07, billshackelford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. >>>>> >>>>> --- In [email protected], sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> nah. >>>>>> encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. >>>>>> >>>>>> and consider using blip feeds (blip users). >>>>>> >>>>>> sull >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. >>>> >>>> This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. >>>> When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something >>>> up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually >>>> coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL >>>> wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... >>>> heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail >>>> field of the RSS feed. >>>> >>>> Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds >>>> instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more >>>> than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and >>>> blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. >>>> That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their >>>> delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. >>>> >>>> Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in >>>> the responses. >>>> >>>> Other than the fact that there is no "rel" atribute to <img> there's >>>> no reason not to do this. >>>> >>>> Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel", or perhaps I'd >>>> like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if >>>> there's no rel attribute to <img src>? What's wrong with extending >>>> it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping >>>> with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many >>>> others. >>>> >>>> Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending >>>> HTML with a rel standard? >>>> >>>> If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? >>>> >>>> class="media-thumbnail" ? >>>> >>>> I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the >>>> everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from >>>> rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... >>>> these are not coders they're bloggers. >>>> >>>> -Mike >>>> mefeedia.com >>>> mmeiser.com/blog >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat >>>>>>> thing... >>>>>>> and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> first. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this >>>>>>> somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, >>>>>>> rel=payment and a host of others. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like >>>>>>> audio, >>>>>>> and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any objections to this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to >>>>>>>> catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> before.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their >>>>>>>> entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the >>>>>>>> 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item >>>>>>>> elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> ones. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> -Devlon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- In [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight >>>>>>>>> percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not >>>>>>>>> "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not specified in >>>>>>>>> standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites >>>>>>>>> like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures >>>>>>>>> can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat >>>>>>>>> standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge amounts of >>>>>>>>> supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no >>>>>>>>> "rel=thumnail". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. >>>>>>>>> It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who >>>>>>>>> use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> but >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when >>>>>>>>> you're writing a blog post. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> well >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Peace, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Mike >>>>>>>>> mmeiser.com/blog >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that, I'm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new >>>>>>>>>>> release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> will >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> included >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> in the link to the video enclosure file like this: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img >>>>>>>>>>> src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website >>>>>>>>>>> update that will address this along with many other bug fixes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and new >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://FireAnt.tv >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, billshackelford >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they do >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> utilize the Yahoo Media >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there is a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> legal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> reason.. why don't they >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> just come up with their own namespace? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I believe I read something about FireAnt getting thumbnails >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> from >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mefeedia but my >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thumbnails >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> show up on FireAnt? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here is my channel on FireAnt: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> billshackelford.com podcast >>>>>>>>>>>> http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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