Yeah, I know what you mean - I'm not a huge fan of awards shows either (except when I win lots of money by betting on the Oscars), but I don't like the idea of community awards - I'd rather they were handled by Podtech (or whoever) and treated honestly for what they are.
Whatever community love Irina brought to the table, that thing you quoted from the wiki just goes to show that Awards Shows are pretty much a commercial concept at heart. They're not a level-playing-field community thing to reward individuals for individual artistic achievement. Popular shows win, because they get more votes. Popular shows tend to be commercial show concepts rather than, say, personal videoblogs. So in the end the main benefactors of awards are popular shows who can then put up banners saying "Winner of 5 vloggies" and tell that to their viewers and the press. That might help Ask A Ninja or Galacticast or Ze Frank who benefit from being seen by the maximum number of people because they have mass appeal. Personally, i don't feel that if I won an award (best shouting into a cellphone camera on the streets of London?) it would boost my audience in any lasting way, since the very few people who want to watch and subscribe to some british tit shouting into his phone over the internet are pretty much going to find me anyway. I like my community to be without judgement and ranking. I don't want my community to tell me that there's some other london cellphone shouter they like more than me, or to tell that person that they like me more. What does that mean? It probably means the winner was able to marshal more friends and family to go online and vote. So I'd prefer it if we didn't have a community awards. I'm quite happy for Podtech and the corporate mass-appeal boys and girls to do their commercial Awards thing and compete for promotional opportunities, while the rest of us just get on with making our videos and connecting with people, for whatever bizarre reasons. Then if any awards drop out of the sky, it's easier to accept them while taking a moment to be humble enough to know that it doesn't mean we're the best at anything - just that some people voted. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 24 Jul 2007, at 14:06, Michael Verdi wrote: Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really the keeper of the Vloggies soul. Had it been left up to others at PodTech, we would have seen something much different. Here's a quote by PodTech's Valerie Cunningham (emphasis is her's) from the vloggies wiki back in August last year - http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 : "VALERIE: [snip] - To be clear: there are two awards per category: "Favorite category name" and "Community Choice Award" We are giving OUR chosen favorite an award, and then announcing the community's choice. [snip] - We need to think of the categories in line with PodTech's affiliate content roadmap, ie Tech, News, Entertainment, Politics, Lifestyle pretty much in that order. Also, we need to think global. PodTech India is in the content roadmap. Obviously it's pretty broad. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR FAVORITE CATEGORY WINNERS ARE RIGHT NOW. Simple who are our target affiliate/sister videoblog sites? Top 50 across all the categories. [snip] - So let's refine these categories please with above in mind and I'd like to see the top 50 list or whatever we should know who we want to come to this event, who PodTech's VIPs are in this community, so to speak again in line with our affiliate goals, etc. Can we see that list by Wed this week, Irina?" This is the direction things were headed before we started talking about it here. With Irina no longer at PodTech is this how things will go this time? John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes "The Vloggies" then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my > agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. > > If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies > here in public. > > I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I > think that > Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The > Oscars > are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV > industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also > have > as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? > > Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that > came up > with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success > was on > your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the > Trademark > was filed... > > By landgrabbing "Vloggies", you are trying to own an industry, > which is > unconscionable. > > You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. > > You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or > create a > new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right > thing > to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are > experiencing right now. > > -Kent, askaninja.com > > > --- In [email protected], John Furrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Kent, >> Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list >> >> John -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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