Excellent points Mike, espeacially about Andreas "solution" to not wanting to be associated with his site....
What I find interesting in this discussion, is that Andreas said he wanted to create discussion and yet, for the most part he has not participated in this discussion....there are valid questions and concerns being raised and he and Brittany are silent....I find that very telling.... Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have produced over 30 Lumiere videos that are linked on the site. > When I started, there was no manifesto, just 6 simple > rules/guidelines. I create Lumieres with the challenge of those six > restrictions... 60 seconds max, Fixed camera, No audio, No zoom, No > edit, No effects, and I enjoy it. > To me, it's a fun vlogging challenge. > > With that said, I have a couple concerns. > > I was never asked about agreeing with the manifesto (that was added > after I started creating Lumiere videos), but by the way it was > written, it certainly seems like I've agreed to it with the usage of > the word "we" throughout the document. > > I think it was mid-December when I really sat back and thought about > the Lumieres that I created and felt that my work was contradictory to > the Manifesto.... mainly (Quote from manifesto) "We do not believe in > artificially assembled scenes or scripted action.". > I set up my camera and change a tire...that's scripted. > http://mikemoon.net/vlog/2007/10/25/lumiere-detire/ > I set the tripod up and cut the grass...that's scripted. > http://mikemoon.net/vlog/2007/10/13/lumiere-lawn-boy/ > My point is, I read the Manifesto and honestly felt that for me to > post Lumieres, I had to agree with the manifesto. > I was saddened by the manifesto and felt I couldn't continue as I > wasn't sure I could abide by the added philosophical views of the > manifesto, even though I was still within the 6 rules initially outlines. > Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I'm not a lawyer, University Professor or > philosopher that is able to dig deep into the interpretations of the > document, I just kept seeing "we" throughout the document and felt I > was either in or out... no gray area. > I'm just Joe vlogger that enjoyed the 6 challenges that were original > setup and now felt there were more restrictions and beliefs that took > the fun out of it. > > After reading through this thread, I was pissed at the way Roxie's > oversight was responded by Andreas. We're all in the same world... > brothers and sisters of one species. There was no reason for such > anger and disdain and it certainly could have been responded to with > better tact. > > Adrian: > To your Question about having video's removed from the list. The only > solution Andreas has responded with is to "delete the video". Delete > it from it's original posted location... delete it from Blip (or > whatever storage location) and lose all links including those to other > sites or discussions. > > I don't want to remove my Lumieres. I will just debate within myself > if I'll do more and if I do create others, will I share with the > Lumiere site. > > It's too bad really... in my mind it was just suppose to be a creative > video exercise that challenged me, not a viewpoint of video creation > that I was suppose to agree with. > > > Mike > Vlogger and Lumiere creator. > http://vlog.mikemoon.net > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@> > wrote: > > > > hi Heath > > > > fair enough, I think there are some reasonable concerns in there. I > > guess it is one thing to more or less curate material that relates to > > the lumiere project, but there are issues if the curation is done > > automagically, as it were. > > > > On the other hand I have no doubt that Andreas and Brittany wouldn't > > have a problem with removing links to someone's work if they asked. > > > > personally I think curating material that relates to a theme is > > excellent, it is just manual tag clouding really :-) helps promote > > stuff too! > > > > On 16/01/2008, at 12:59 AM, Heath wrote: > > > > > But Andreas has stated, that in addition to linking to a video if > > > someone emails him, that if he or Brittany come accross a Lumiere > > > they will then also link to it...But what if the person doesn't want > > > to be linked to because they don't believe in this manifesto? Look, > > > I know the web is a great big link fest, but in cases like this, I > > > think it bears pondering that practice. Cheryl has already stated > > > that she will no longer make Lumiere's because she doesn't want to be > > > associated with the manifesto, I find that troubling. How many > > > others feel that way? If Andreas were giving people the choice to be > > > associated with the site he has, I wouldn't feel the way I do, but he > > > doesn't always do that, and that is where my concern lies. > > > > Adrian Miles > > adrian.miles@ > > bachelor communication honours coordinator > > vogmae.net.au > > >
