Thanks Rupert. Let's continue our pointy headed conversation in email.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> maybe he was addicted to it, couldn't help himself. i don't know
> quite what my point was.
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> i think it was probably something to do with the fact that i like
> your stuff best when it's satirical and rather bukowski-like in its
> vigorous reaction to bullshit. that running away from the bullshit
> is running away from some great inspiration.
>
> to me, you're like Ze Frank's evil twin. don't take that the wrong
> way. i don't mean Evil and i don't mean you're like Ze Frank.
>
> but the way you take on people and things, and do it with drawings,
> animation, music.
>
> it seems to me that your creative reaction to YouTube is what's got
> you the views, and that that's what you could be charging access for.
>
> i can see how people would pay a dollar a throw to watch your videos.
>
> fuck it, post partial works on your blog and then sell your videos on
> Cruxy.com - that's what it's there for.
>
> Aren't they selling videos on iTunes yet?
>
> Ricky Gervais made something like £10m by selling his podcast for £1
> per download a couple of years ago.
>
> Forget what I said before about people not paying for media anymore.
> Mix it up. Try it. Stop talking about it, and make a fucking funny
> brilliantly made video and sell it. Message all your fans.
>
> I don't know. I don't see why you couldn't do it right now.
>
> Rupert
> http://twittervlog.tv/
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> On 9-Aug-08, at 5:07 PM, ractalfece wrote:
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> Yeah, way off topic. But I remember reading a letter or maybe a poem
> where he said JD Salinger knew what he was doing because he wrote one
> good book and quit.
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, that was pretty far off-topic for a videoblogging list :)
> >
> > On 9-Aug-08, at 4:17 PM, Rupert wrote:
> >
> > ha! maybe. he got more pestering after he became famous than before,
> > for sure. but jd salinger he was not. if he hated people that much,
> > he could have become a recluse, but he didn't. he kept living in
> > hollywood, and the same crazies and outsiders peopled his life and
> > work for the next 20 years after he stopped his drunken, highly
> > entertaining readings.
> >
> > he was great at writing about how much he hated ugly humanity, but he
> > recognised that this fed him.
> >
> > see
> >
> > "If I taught creative writing":
> >
> > http://www.misanthropytoday.com/2008/07/29/if-i-taught-creative-
> > writing-by-charles-bukowski/
> >
> > versus
> >
> > "the genius of the crowd"
> >
> > http://plagiarist.com/poetry/4508/
> >
> > Rupert
> > http://twittervlog.tv
> >
> > On 9-Aug-08, at 3:02 PM, ractalfece wrote:
> >
> > Bukowski hated dealing with people. He wrote a poem about murdering a
> > young admirer who approached him at the race track. In his letters he
> > constantly complained about people mailing him poetry and expecting
> > him to read it. As soon as he had enough money to stop giving
> > readings, he did.
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ruperthowe" <rupert@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Your fellow LA poet Bukowski had to deal with a lot of crazy people
> > > too. And it took him quite a long time to make any money from his
> > > poems. People didn't tend to buy poetry in such large numbers.
> > > Eventually he started writing novels, a more commercial and
> > accessible
> > > form, he got published because of his notoriety as a poet and the
> > > beauty of his writing, and the cash started coming in. He still
> wrote
> > > the poems and dealt with the crazy people, partly because he loved
> > it,
> > > partly because it was just an integral part of the way he chose to
> > > live his life and make his art.
> > >
> > > "The nine-to-five is one of the greatest atrocities sprung upon
> > > mankind. You give your life away to a function that doesn't
> interest
> > > you. This situation so repelled me that I was driven to drink,
> > > starvation, and mad females, simply as an alternative."
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ractalfece" <john@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I see the philosophical difference. I understand starving for
> art.
> > > > Knut Hamsun's "Hunger". Great book. But here's the difference
> > > > between Knut and me. I'm starving and dealing with people. Why
> > > > should I have to accept the hardships of fame without
> compensation?
> > > >
> > > > I don't. That's why I can't guarantee in the future you'll be
> > able to
> > > > see my work without paying.
> > > >
> > > > - john@ -
> > > >
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jen Proctor" <proctorjen@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry that you've had hard financial times. I could go
> > into the
> > > > > financial straits my family and I have endured as well, but I
> > don't
> > > > > think that's the point. I don't think the hardship of living
> > out of a
> > > > > car is still any kind of justification that art is best served
> > within
> > > > > commodity culture.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not saying that YOU should remove your work from commodity
> > > > > culture. That's not my argument - you should do whatever you
> > feel is
> > > > > right for your work and your life, and I completely respect
> > that. I
> > > > > just take issue with the notion that asking viewers to pay the
> > > > > individual maker for online video is any kind of revolution or,
> > > > > ultimately, a viable solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's simply a philosophical disagreement - power to ya to do
> > whatever
> > > > > is right for you. I just can't guarantee that I'll pay to
> > watch your
> > > > work.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ractalfece" <john@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I guess my point regarding Information Dystopia is
> that as
> > > > much as
> > > > > > > I'd like to see artists better compensated for their work,
> > whether
> > > > > > > through public funding or individual donations, as
> requested
> > > in the
> > > > > > > video, the disconnect from this larger history makes the
> > call for
> > > > > > > compensation feel more like hubris than a revolution. The
> > > > situation we
> > > > > > > are in as artists on the web is nothing new in terms of
> > trying
> > > > to make
> > > > > > > money. To me, as Rupert has stated earlier, the greater
> > > > revolution of
> > > > > > > the web is in the possibilities for removing our work from
> > > commodity
> > > > > > > culture - making the work free, accessible, open, and
> > remixable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jen, watch this video response I did to Mark Horowitz's "7
> > Days in a
> > > > > > Sentra" ad campaign.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Horriblewitz's video:
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eMXE2Z58QI
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My response:
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHFPsx_7id0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then tell me about removing my work from commodity culture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - john@ -
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