Great! Another application to check out! downloaded and checking it out...lol peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com
On Dec 10, 2008, at 2:01 PM, schlomo rabinowitz wrote: > I've never been a fan of the blog format for video (even when putting > together the last Vloggercon, I was against making the site in the > blog > format, but was alone in that thought). > Though I ended up not using it for my own personal videoblog site > (many > hours of discussion with web/dev friends steered me away), I still > believe > using something like Sweetcron could be an interesting way of > showing your > work. > > <http://www.sweetcron.com/> > > Especially when people are putting various sorts of videos on a > variety of > video hosts. For instance, some people put teasers on youtube and > Behind > The Scenes on Vimeo. But you want a site that will aggregate all of > that > content. > > Anyway, my two cents. Blog is Dead, Long Live the Blog. > > Schlomo Rabinowitz > http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress > http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking > AIM:schlomochat > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago. > > > > I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting > > things since then. > > > > Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're > > comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, > but > > how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and how > > daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line down > > the page. > > > > I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog. > > It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the > producer. > > > > Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to > like > > the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though > > initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was the > > easiest way to do publishing and podcasting. > > > > Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much so > > that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into > > making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them. > > > > I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU, > > Ninja, Rocketboom. Wreck & Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good new > > designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and > don't > > force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance. > > > > For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked > > networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of > > your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that > > the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos > > by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone > > totally different? > > > > I don't know. I'm stuck. But it's good to read your thoughts on it. > > > > Rupert > > http://twittervlog.tv > > > > On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote: > > > > Great topic, Heath! > > > > I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with > > the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome! > > > > I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was > > obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and > > blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability. > > > > It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It > > makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long > endeavor. > > > > I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for > > archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not > > good for holding people's attention. > > > > If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can > hold > > an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design. > > > > There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for > video > > blogging. > > > > Story telling and Community. > > > > --- > > Story Telling > > --- > > > > I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and > > that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of > > content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and > > appealing vibe, beautiful theming, but it all went out the window > > when I scrolled down the page and saw 15 5 minute videos all > > presented as a running commentary - essentially a very long > monologue. > > > > I have no doubt that the content was personally appealing > (although I > > couldn't watch it because of bandwidth constraints - :-( ) but > when I > > saw that scrolling list, it just seemed like a Herculean task to go > > through it. I really was intrigued by the vibe set up by the site > and > > my personal belief system, but when I saw the layout of the content, > > I was turned off. I didn't want to watch that much on one topic. > > > > When you post 30 things on one page, it devalues all of them. It > > triggers the idea of a lack of quality - like "this thing couldn't > > stand on it's own so he put 30 on one page." > > > > I suggested that he set up in a landscape format (as opposed to > > portrait, or blog) which would embrace his theme, keep relevant > > content on the page at all times, be an efficient use of space and > > would let each video (or 2) be it's own story. > > > > I could actually see myself watching all 15 videos with this kind of > > layout if the content was good with some clever storytelling. > > > > Leave me with a cliffhanger, or give me a text based teaser to draw > > me into the next video. > > > > --- > > Community > > --- > > Also, this kind of a layout creates a dialogue. I watch it then I > > talk about it. It's the give and take, the interaction with the > > viewer that we're all looking for. > > > > Let me watch a video and digest it. Then I'll comment on it. > > > > The traditional blog format reminds me of online tit for tat email > > communication that I find becomes 2 dueling monologues. When you > > create a series of communication, or a series of argument, there > is a > > critical loss of context. We forget what we were talking about. The > > discussion becomes about the minutia or the meta, and the greater > > understanding or message is lost. It quite literally is the > > presentation of parts - the parts are greater than the whole. > > > > I don't think it works well for online communication, and I don't > > think it works well for communicating with multimedia content. > > > > It isolates the viewer, it isolates the content creator, and it > > isolates the content itself. > > > > It looks like it's all connected, but in reality it's just a list. > > It's like a quoted, line by line email argument as opposed to a well > > thought out and crafted piece of prose. > > > > JMHO... > > > > --- > > Tunnel Vision > > --- > > > > I'm in the process of creating a large community website based on > dog > > sports. It's very ambitious, and I'm going to be facing competitors > > that have very deep pockets. It's pretty intimidating, to tell the > > truth. > > > > I'm working very hard to create a really nice looking site that has > > boatloads of functionality. > > > > One of the things that I've struggled with is the organizational > > heirarchy of the site - both in terms of navigation and content > > presentation. It's very hard. > > > > My greatest goal is to bring these heretofore disparate communities, > > 6 of them with very different mindsets but one common passion of > > working with dogs, together. > > > > I took that single mindedness and tried to force my needs, my > comfort > > zone and my goals on them, the enduser. It would have failed. > > > > I wanted a simple menu structure that presented content and > access to > > content from each community on each page. I wound up with a > > convoluted and hard to follow menu structure, kind of like what is > > currently on http://k9disc.com . > > > > It just wasn't compelling, and the goal of elegance and > inclusiveness > > trumped the usability of the site. If I would have stuck with that > > model, my deep pocketed competitors would smoke me, of that, I'm > sure. > > > > But stepping back and reevaluating my approach prompted me to make > > some changes that were a bit uncomfortable for me personally, and > for > > my conceptualization of the project, but I got through it and think > > that I have a much better shot at developing a vibrant and engaged > > community as a result. > > > > I think that the videoblogging community, of the non-youtube sort, > > have gotten stuck in line by line communication. That's how so many > > of us communicate. It's also how the tools we use function. > > > > Look at this list. > > > > Look at twitter. > > > > Look at RSS. > > > > Look at the video blog. > > > > They're all the same. > > > > Not everybody likes the simplicity of twitter. > > > > Not everybody likes linear presentation of content. > > > > It's what so many of us know and understand, so it becomes what > we do > > and how we do it. > > > > Thinking about it, I think this has been a major factor in the > > limited success of traditional videoblogging. > > > > Youtube won on presentation and community, and the presentation > and I > > believe the community developed out of the landscape layout - > > relevant content on every screenshot, and the ability of every video > > to stand on it's own. > > > > Ask a Ninja? > > > > Epic Fu? > > > > Rocketboom? > > > > Blip? > > > > All of them landscape (esque) with one video per page. Storytelling. > > > > I know they're shows and not really videoblogs, but they're > > successful and well watched. > > > > Sure they have compelling content, but I think it has something > to do > > with presentation as well. > > > > peace, > > Ron Watson > > http://k9disc.blip.tv > > http://k9disc.com > > http://discdogradio.com > > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > On Dec 10, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Heath wrote: > > > > > I have been doing a lot of thinking as I come close to my 3 > year mark > > > of vlogging. From the outset of vlogging almost everyone > settled on > > > the blog format for their site. And I think at that time it > worked. > > > > > > However, now.....I am not so sure. I mean every time you make a > > > video and post, that video moves down the list and soon it's > off your > > > homepage in some cases, never to be seen again. Now for some, > maybe > > > that is no big deal, but.....I think some of us all make a few > videos > > > that we are especially proud of, and in the current blog/vlog > format, > > > there is no easy way (I know we can sticky but if you sticky more > > > than a couple no one will ever see your new content on your > site) to > > > show off those posts. > > > > > > It seems to me that there is a huge lack in the number of > themes that > > > take advatage of vlogging. I mean with the explosion of online > > > video, you would think we would have more, but I only know of a > small > > > handfull and most of those you have to pay for. > > > > > > I am just curious as to what you all think? I just don't know....I > > > mean part of me likes the blog/vlog format as it is, but I find > > > myself longing for a different way to show off my video's > moreso the > > > ones that I want to showcase or ones that I am fond of...I mean I > > > could revlog but.... > > > > > > So what do you all like and dislike about the current vlog format? > > > What would you like to see? Just curious... > > > > > > Heath > > > http://heathparks.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
