:) And both in the right spirit, bringing the right attitude, more social & level, without the nastiness of tone & the money issues.
On 16 Apr 2010, at 00:26, Roxanne Darling wrote: > LOL! Irina brings the drama and fun factor and I sure as hell can > organize. > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Rupert Howe <rup...@twittervlog.tv> > wrote: > >> >> >> I thought earlier today that Irina should have been organising the >> Streamys. Now I realise that Irina & Rox is the dream team. Someone >> should tell them. >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2010, at 23:57, Roxanne Darling wrote: >> >>> Irina: agreed on the dubious pay for play and "it feels good to be >>> recognized for hard work." >>> Rupert: agree that having more women involve might have helped and >>> tech >>> should have been the "given." >>> Quirk: "People are rightfully pissed." Yeah. >>> Mark: Disrespecting the audience is a clear problem, I agree. If you >>> are >>> going to make it R-rated, it's your choice, though you better pre- >>> announce >>> that. >>> >>> As a group, internet video has so much potential. But many of those >>> who are >>> inspired to take the lead on these things also seem to have serious >>> issues >>> with maturity and basic event promotion competence. I produced a >>> podcamp >>> here in 2008 - over 400 attended live and thousands more via >>> livestream. >>> There were no streakers or swear words and wow what a great time we >>> had! >>> Aunties were blogging by the end of the 2 days and our tag hit #1 on >>> Twitter >>> and Flickr - from a big crowd of newbies. We did no traditional >>> marketing or >>> advertising - all via social networks and WOM. So I know this can >>> all be >>> done using the tools we love and sharing the ideas we know are >>> relevant and >>> in demand. >>> >>> I detached from being part of the in crowd years ago, both because >>> of the >>> geographical isolation in Hawaii (I just can't drop in to the LA and >>> NYC >>> meetings and those crowds seem to forget there are others who don't >>> show up >>> in the F2F events) as well as not fitting in one of the mainstream >>> categories. Surely our 4+ years, 760 episodes, nearly 3 M views, and >>> literally saving a few lives has a place somewhere? :-) >>> >>> Often a big fail can open things up for enlightenment. I'm putting >>> my vote >>> in that direction. >>> >>> Now, onto brighter and happier thoughts! >>> >>> Love, >>> >>> Rox >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Irina <irina...@gmail.com<irinaski >>> %40gmail.com>> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> chance's story showed that charging nominees for participation is a >>>> dubious >>>> undertaking -- since without nominees there would be no industry >>>> and no >>>> "award show" in the first place. second of all, making anyone feel >>>> left out >>>> (since this is the web, which is pretty much an all-inclusive >>>> type of >>>> environment) with special entrances and seating is another weird >>>> idea. >>>> >>>> work on getting sponsors to pay for things so people dont have to. >>>> thats >>>> what sponsors are for. ergo, free food and liquor if i can help it. >>>> >>>> trust me, people brought their friends and kids to the vloggies and >>>> the >>>> winnies too. because its fun. and because it feels good to be >>>> recognized >>>> for >>>> hard work. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Rupert Howe >>>> <rup...@twittervlog.tv <rupert%40twittervlog.tv><rupert% >> 40twittervlog.tv>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm also glad that it wasn't like the Oscars. LA & NY people >>>>> consolidating their power. >>>>> >>>>> And Chance's personal story is depressing, but really... the whole >>>>> thing reads like a Greek tragedy. Pride before the fall. I mean, >>>>> he >>>>> *really* thought he was going to the Oscars?? And brought all his >>>>> friends and colleagues... and their children?! WTF. >>>>> >>>>> And I can't agree with the "It's terrible for the industry!" >>>>> people. >>>>> It will be *good* for the profile of web video, not bad. I've seen >>>>> enough intentionally controversial and offensive theatre in London >>>>> and >>>>> Edinburgh to know that controversy drives box office success, mass >>>>> media interest and general awareness. Even if the show itself is a >>>>> train wreck. >>>>> >>>>> So - it might be bad for the reputation of Tubefilter and the >>>>> producers and the chances of getting sponsors for next year's >>>>> awards - >>>>> but not bad for web TV. More people will hear about web shows >>>>> now - >>>>> in the knowledge that there was a big Awards ceremony for them. >>>>> >>>>> In everything I've read, everyone's giving them a pass on the tech >>>>> problems and castigating them for the tone. Come on. >>>>> >>>>> They should be more ashamed of the tech problems than the poor >>>>> taste. >>>>> >>>>> I mean, they were obviously *trying* to be 'edgy'. They got what >>>>> they >>>>> wanted, like ego-crazed geek frat boys. The whole thing reeks of >>>>> not >>>>> enough women in charge. What a surprise. >>>>> >>>>> But surely the one thing that should have been *flawless* is the >>>>> technical delivery. >>>>> >>>>> It's not that hard to get sound right. You just have to hire a >>>>> live >>>>> event sound engineer who knows what they're doing - and a live >>>>> broadcast mixer & director & engineer who know what they're >>>>> doing (I >>>>> mean, it's LA, for God's sake). >>>>> >>>>> And do rehearsals and sound checks. And if you can't do proper >>>>> rehearsals in the venue, don't use the venue. If they were >>>>> expecting >>>>> 750,000 viewers, it should have been ALL about the flawless live >>>>> streaming of the content and perfect sound, surely - not about >>>>> ohmygosh the Orpheum Theatre and the self-satisfied LA types in >>>>> the >>>>> room? >>>>> >>>>> And above all, given that it's about web video, it should have >>>>> been >>>>> short. >>>>> >>>>> Rupert >>>>> http://twittervlog.tv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Apr 2010, at 23:17, elbowsofdeath wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key >>>>>> ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the >>>>>> 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It >>>>>> certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other >>>>>> problems >>>>>> too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by >>>>>> appearing >>>>>> to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled >>>>>> juvenile >>>>>> amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained >>>>>> and >>>>>> amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of >>>>>> justice >>>>>> on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless >>>>>> hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I >>>>>> suppose >>>>>> its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the >>>>>> more >>>>>> visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the >>>>>> existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds >>>>>> colliding, >>>>>> and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show >>>>>> humbled by technical glitches and naked people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Elbows >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://geekentertainment.tv >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roxanne Darling >>> "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian >>> 808-384-5554 >>> Video --> http://www.beachwalks.tv >>> Company -- > http://www.barefeetstudios.com >>> Twitter--> http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! 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