very sweet! rox is a powerhouse for sure! as usual we have a fundamental divide, which is that no matter what we do, things cost money. right now, its very difficult to raise money from companies unless they feel they are going to get a return for their money. clearly, they thought they were going to get a bang for their buck in LA with celebrities involved,etc. based on last year's event, they should have since it's expected that a 2nd yr event is usually an improvement upon the first.
the types of successful events i see being organized right now, like my friend Brian Zisk who does the Music&Tech summit, are ones with good sponsors and panels, etc. Brian is doing one in 2 weeks called "The Future of Money" in SF. I think as far as online video goes, I can't offer a sponsor right now any quick or easy or flashy answers, since the road to happy destiny in our case is a slow and trudging one of just doing one episode at a time, like ROX has been doing and all of us here. We can offer everyone an enteraining community event where we recognize each other's achievements and talents, dress up and have a hell of a party. But that's what I've been saying since 2006. I just want to wear a hot dress LOL and hand someone a trophy On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Jim Turner <[email protected]>wrote: > These types of things have been started on less. I know of whole companies > started with a single Tweet. > > Call them the IROX Awards. > > > > Jim > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rupert Howe <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > :) > > And both in the right spirit, bringing the right attitude, more social > > & level, without the nastiness of tone & the money issues. > > > > > > On 16 Apr 2010, at 00:26, Roxanne Darling wrote: > > > > > LOL! Irina brings the drama and fun factor and I sure as hell can > > > organize. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Rupert Howe <[email protected] > <rupert%40twittervlog.tv>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> I thought earlier today that Irina should have been organising the > > >> Streamys. Now I realise that Irina & Rox is the dream team. Someone > > >> should tell them. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 15 Apr 2010, at 23:57, Roxanne Darling wrote: > > >> > > >>> Irina: agreed on the dubious pay for play and "it feels good to be > > >>> recognized for hard work." > > >>> Rupert: agree that having more women involve might have helped and > > >>> tech > > >>> should have been the "given." > > >>> Quirk: "People are rightfully pissed." Yeah. > > >>> Mark: Disrespecting the audience is a clear problem, I agree. If you > > >>> are > > >>> going to make it R-rated, it's your choice, though you better pre- > > >>> announce > > >>> that. > > >>> > > >>> As a group, internet video has so much potential. But many of those > > >>> who are > > >>> inspired to take the lead on these things also seem to have serious > > >>> issues > > >>> with maturity and basic event promotion competence. I produced a > > >>> podcamp > > >>> here in 2008 - over 400 attended live and thousands more via > > >>> livestream. > > >>> There were no streakers or swear words and wow what a great time we > > >>> had! > > >>> Aunties were blogging by the end of the 2 days and our tag hit #1 on > > >>> Twitter > > >>> and Flickr - from a big crowd of newbies. We did no traditional > > >>> marketing or > > >>> advertising - all via social networks and WOM. So I know this can > > >>> all be > > >>> done using the tools we love and sharing the ideas we know are > > >>> relevant and > > >>> in demand. > > >>> > > >>> I detached from being part of the in crowd years ago, both because > > >>> of the > > >>> geographical isolation in Hawaii (I just can't drop in to the LA and > > >>> NYC > > >>> meetings and those crowds seem to forget there are others who don't > > >>> show up > > >>> in the F2F events) as well as not fitting in one of the mainstream > > >>> categories. Surely our 4+ years, 760 episodes, nearly 3 M views, and > > >>> literally saving a few lives has a place somewhere? :-) > > >>> > > >>> Often a big fail can open things up for enlightenment. I'm putting > > >>> my vote > > >>> in that direction. > > >>> > > >>> Now, onto brighter and happier thoughts! > > >>> > > >>> Love, > > >>> > > >>> Rox > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Irina <[email protected]<irinaski% > 40gmail.com><irinaski > > > > >>> %40gmail.com>> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> chance's story showed that charging nominees for participation is a > > >>>> dubious > > >>>> undertaking -- since without nominees there would be no industry > > >>>> and no > > >>>> "award show" in the first place. second of all, making anyone feel > > >>>> left out > > >>>> (since this is the web, which is pretty much an all-inclusive > > >>>> type of > > >>>> environment) with special entrances and seating is another weird > > >>>> idea. > > >>>> > > >>>> work on getting sponsors to pay for things so people dont have to. > > >>>> thats > > >>>> what sponsors are for. ergo, free food and liquor if i can help it. > > >>>> > > >>>> trust me, people brought their friends and kids to the vloggies and > > >>>> the > > >>>> winnies too. because its fun. and because it feels good to be > > >>>> recognized > > >>>> for > > >>>> hard work. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Rupert Howe > > >>>> <[email protected] <rupert%40twittervlog.tv> <rupert% > > 40twittervlog.tv><rupert% > > >> 40twittervlog.tv>> > > >> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I'm also glad that it wasn't like the Oscars. LA & NY people > > >>>>> consolidating their power. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And Chance's personal story is depressing, but really... the whole > > >>>>> thing reads like a Greek tragedy. Pride before the fall. I mean, > > >>>>> he > > >>>>> *really* thought he was going to the Oscars?? And brought all his > > >>>>> friends and colleagues... and their children?! WTF. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And I can't agree with the "It's terrible for the industry!" > > >>>>> people. > > >>>>> It will be *good* for the profile of web video, not bad. I've seen > > >>>>> enough intentionally controversial and offensive theatre in London > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> Edinburgh to know that controversy drives box office success, mass > > >>>>> media interest and general awareness. Even if the show itself is a > > >>>>> train wreck. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So - it might be bad for the reputation of Tubefilter and the > > >>>>> producers and the chances of getting sponsors for next year's > > >>>>> awards - > > >>>>> but not bad for web TV. More people will hear about web shows > > >>>>> now - > > >>>>> in the knowledge that there was a big Awards ceremony for them. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> In everything I've read, everyone's giving them a pass on the tech > > >>>>> problems and castigating them for the tone. Come on. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> They should be more ashamed of the tech problems than the poor > > >>>>> taste. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I mean, they were obviously *trying* to be 'edgy'. They got what > > >>>>> they > > >>>>> wanted, like ego-crazed geek frat boys. The whole thing reeks of > > >>>>> not > > >>>>> enough women in charge. What a surprise. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But surely the one thing that should have been *flawless* is the > > >>>>> technical delivery. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It's not that hard to get sound right. You just have to hire a > > >>>>> live > > >>>>> event sound engineer who knows what they're doing - and a live > > >>>>> broadcast mixer & director & engineer who know what they're > > >>>>> doing (I > > >>>>> mean, it's LA, for God's sake). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And do rehearsals and sound checks. And if you can't do proper > > >>>>> rehearsals in the venue, don't use the venue. If they were > > >>>>> expecting > > >>>>> 750,000 viewers, it should have been ALL about the flawless live > > >>>>> streaming of the content and perfect sound, surely - not about > > >>>>> ohmygosh the Orpheum Theatre and the self-satisfied LA types in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> room? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And above all, given that it's about web video, it should have > > >>>>> been > > >>>>> short. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Rupert > > >>>>> http://twittervlog.tv > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 12 Apr 2010, at 23:17, elbowsofdeath wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key > > >>>>>> ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the > > >>>>>> 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It > > >>>>>> certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other > > >>>>>> problems > > >>>>>> too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by > > >>>>>> appearing > > >>>>>> to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled > > >>>>>> juvenile > > >>>>>> amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained > > >>>>>> and > > >>>>>> amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of > > >>>>>> justice > > >>>>>> on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless > > >>>>>> hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I > > >>>>>> suppose > > >>>>>> its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the > > >>>>>> more > > >>>>>> visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the > > >>>>>> existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds > > >>>>>> colliding, > > >>>>>> and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show > > >>>>>> humbled by technical glitches and naked people. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Cheers > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Steve Elbows > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------------ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yahoo! 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