Irina: agreed on the dubious pay for play and "it feels good to be recognized for hard work." Rupert: agree that having more women involve might have helped and tech should have been the "given." Quirk: "People are rightfully pissed." Yeah. Mark: Disrespecting the audience is a clear problem, I agree. If you are going to make it R-rated, it's your choice, though you better pre-announce that.
As a group, internet video has so much potential. But many of those who are inspired to take the lead on these things also seem to have serious issues with maturity and basic event promotion competence. I produced a podcamp here in 2008 - over 400 attended live and thousands more via livestream. There were no streakers or swear words and wow what a great time we had! Aunties were blogging by the end of the 2 days and our tag hit #1 on Twitter and Flickr - from a big crowd of newbies. We did no traditional marketing or advertising - all via social networks and WOM. So I know this can all be done using the tools we love and sharing the ideas we know are relevant and in demand. I detached from being part of the in crowd years ago, both because of the geographical isolation in Hawaii (I just can't drop in to the LA and NYC meetings and those crowds seem to forget there are others who don't show up in the F2F events) as well as not fitting in one of the mainstream categories. Surely our 4+ years, 760 episodes, nearly 3 M views, and literally saving a few lives has a place somewhere? :-) Often a big fail can open things up for enlightenment. I'm putting my vote in that direction. Now, onto brighter and happier thoughts! Love, Rox On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Irina <irina...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > chance's story showed that charging nominees for participation is a dubious > undertaking -- since without nominees there would be no industry and no > "award show" in the first place. second of all, making anyone feel left out > (since this is the web, which is pretty much an all-inclusive type of > environment) with special entrances and seating is another weird idea. > > work on getting sponsors to pay for things so people dont have to. thats > what sponsors are for. ergo, free food and liquor if i can help it. > > trust me, people brought their friends and kids to the vloggies and the > winnies too. because its fun. and because it feels good to be recognized > for > hard work. > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Rupert Howe > <rup...@twittervlog.tv<rupert%40twittervlog.tv>> > wrote: > > > I'm also glad that it wasn't like the Oscars. LA & NY people > > consolidating their power. > > > > And Chance's personal story is depressing, but really... the whole > > thing reads like a Greek tragedy. Pride before the fall. I mean, he > > *really* thought he was going to the Oscars?? And brought all his > > friends and colleagues... and their children?! WTF. > > > > And I can't agree with the "It's terrible for the industry!" people. > > It will be *good* for the profile of web video, not bad. I've seen > > enough intentionally controversial and offensive theatre in London and > > Edinburgh to know that controversy drives box office success, mass > > media interest and general awareness. Even if the show itself is a > > train wreck. > > > > So - it might be bad for the reputation of Tubefilter and the > > producers and the chances of getting sponsors for next year's awards - > > but not bad for web TV. More people will hear about web shows now - > > in the knowledge that there was a big Awards ceremony for them. > > > > In everything I've read, everyone's giving them a pass on the tech > > problems and castigating them for the tone. Come on. > > > > They should be more ashamed of the tech problems than the poor taste. > > > > I mean, they were obviously *trying* to be 'edgy'. They got what they > > wanted, like ego-crazed geek frat boys. The whole thing reeks of not > > enough women in charge. What a surprise. > > > > But surely the one thing that should have been *flawless* is the > > technical delivery. > > > > It's not that hard to get sound right. You just have to hire a live > > event sound engineer who knows what they're doing - and a live > > broadcast mixer & director & engineer who know what they're doing (I > > mean, it's LA, for God's sake). > > > > And do rehearsals and sound checks. And if you can't do proper > > rehearsals in the venue, don't use the venue. If they were expecting > > 750,000 viewers, it should have been ALL about the flawless live > > streaming of the content and perfect sound, surely - not about > > ohmygosh the Orpheum Theatre and the self-satisfied LA types in the > > room? > > > > And above all, given that it's about web video, it should have been > > short. > > > > Rupert > > http://twittervlog.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Apr 2010, at 23:17, elbowsofdeath wrote: > > > > > So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key > > > ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. > > > > > > There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the > > > 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It > > > certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other problems > > > too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by appearing > > > to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled juvenile > > > amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. > > > > > > Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained and > > > amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of justice > > > on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless > > > hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I suppose > > > its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the more > > > visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the > > > existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds colliding, > > > and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show > > > humbled by technical glitches and naked people. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://geekentertainment.tv > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Roxanne Darling "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian 808-384-5554 Video --> http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- > http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter--> http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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